From: Lukasz Stelmach <stlman@poczta.fm>
To: Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>
Cc: "Måns Rullgård" <mru@inprovide.com>,
"Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@ums.usu.ru>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 11:14:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <42AFF184.2030209@poczta.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200506150454.11532.pmcfarland@downeast.net>
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Patrick McFarland napisał(a):
> On Wednesday 15 June 2005 04:26 am, Lukasz Stelmach wrote:
>
>>Måns Rullgård napisał(a):
>>
>>>I use utf-8 exclusively for my filenames (the few that are not 7-bit
>>>ascii). Forcing others who use the system to do the same would cause
>>>them a lot of trouble, as they must transfer files to and from Windows
>>>machines that use anything but utf-8.
>>
>>But VFAT (and NTFS???) use unicode, i.e. UTF-16 (???). AFAIK
>
> No, VFAT and NTFS use an 8-bit encoding,
I meant that they don't use utf-8 but it is still the unicode. I am not
sure i've made myself clear.
> Forcing people to use unicode isn't a bad thing btw, especially since
> it is a culture agnostic encoding that can represent wide characters
> (eg. from Asian languages) in a uniform manner*, and allowing to use
> multiple languages (eg. Chinese and Japanese) at once without needing
> to switch encodings.
Yes. I also think UTF-8 is a good idea, however it is not an ideal one.
It *preferes* Roman encodings since some Asian characters need even four
bytes.
IMHO for *every* filesystem there need to be an *option* to:
1. store filenames in utf-8 (that is quite possible today) or any other
unicode form.
2. convert them to/from a desired iocharset. I prefere using ISO-8859-2
on my system for not every tool support utf-8 today (hopefuly yet).
Of course if a user whishes to store filenames in some other encoding
she should be *able* to do so (that is why i like linux).
Generally. IMHO VFAT is a good example how character encoding needs to
be handeled.
Best regards.
--
Było mi bardzo miło. Trzecia pospolita klęska, [...]
>Łukasz< Już nie katolicka lecz złodziejska. (c)PP
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Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-06-13 10:38 A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-06-13 18:01 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 9:32 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28 ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 8:04 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14 9:05 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 8:26 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 8:54 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15 9:14 ` Lukasz Stelmach [this message]
2005-06-15 9:41 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-15 23:34 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 1:44 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41 ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16 9:40 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22 8:41 ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44 ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 1:18 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 8:21 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 8:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17 9:17 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:37 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17 9:41 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06 ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 1:42 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31 ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:52 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14 ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16 1:49 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 2:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16 2:59 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 4:33 ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-19 17:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26 0:00 ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26 8:34 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15 9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16 1:55 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 3:59 ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Kyle Moffett
2005-06-18 15:24 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:12 ` A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Bodo Eggert
2005-06-18 15:31 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17 9:56 ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-06-17 23:22 Islam Amer
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