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From: Lukasz Stelmach <stlman@poczta.fm>
To: Lennart Sorensen <lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>
Cc: mru@inprovide.com, Patrick McFarland <pmcfarland@downeast.net>,
	"Alexander E. Patrakov" <patrakov@ums.usu.ru>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 01:34:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42B0BAF5.106@poczta.fm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050615212825.GS23621@csclub.uwaterloo.ca>

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Lennart Sorensen napisał(a):

>>And it is good in a way, however, i think kernel level translation
>>should be also possible. Either done by a code in each filsystem or by
>>some layer above it.
> 
> What do you do if the underlying filesystem can not store some unicode
> characters that are allowed on others?

That's why UTF-8 is suggested. UTF-8 has been developed to "fool" the
software that need not to be aware of unicodeness of the text it manages
to handle it without any hickups *and* to store in the text information
about multibyte characters.What characters exactly you do mean? NULL?
There is no NULL byte in any UTF-8 string except the one which
terminates it.

> VFAT uses unicode?  I thought it used the same codepage silyness as FAT
> did, since after all ti was just supposed to be a long filename
> extension to FAT.  Do they use unicode in the long filenames only?

Yes, it uses unicode. And dos codepages in short ones. To prove this
take a vfat floppy and mount it. touch(1) a file on it that has some
non latin1 characters. Unmount the floppy then do dd if=/dev/fd0
of=/tmp/floppy bs=1024 count=512. While it's done take some hex
editor/viewer and seek the latin1-complaint part of the filename
in the floppy file (search for uppercase string). Righ above the short
filename you'll find multibyte long one.

> I think UDF is a better filesystem for many types of media since it is
> able to me more gently to the sectors storing the meta data than VFAT
> ever will be.

I've tried cd packet writing with UDF and it gives insane overhead of
about 20%. What metadata you'd like to store for example on your
flashdrive or a floppy disk?

-- 
Było mi bardzo miło.                    Trzecia pospolita klęska, [...]
>Łukasz<                      Już nie katolicka lecz złodziejska.  (c)PP


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  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-15 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-13 10:38 A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 10:49 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-06-13 18:01   ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14  9:32     ` Islam Amer
2005-06-14 10:10       ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14 15:28         ` Islam Amer
2005-06-13 12:05 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 13:54   ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 14:32     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-06-13 17:38       ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 18:58         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-14  8:04           ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2005-06-14  9:05             ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15  8:26               ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15  8:54                 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-15  9:14                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15  9:41                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-15 14:52                       ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-15 21:28                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-15 23:34                           ` Lukasz Stelmach [this message]
2005-06-16  1:44                             ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:38                               ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-16 11:36                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16 20:41                               ` Rob Sims
2005-06-16  9:40                             ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 14:48                               ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-18 23:22                                 ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-22  8:41                                   ` Lukasz Stelmach
2005-06-16 13:39                             ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-16 14:44                               ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-06-16 15:04                                 ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17  1:18                                   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17  8:21                                     ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  8:49                                       ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-17  9:17                                         ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  9:37                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-17  9:41                                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 13:09                                         ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-17 13:23                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-18 16:04                                             ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 18:06                                               ` Kari Hurtta
2005-06-18 21:57                                                 ` Robin Rosenberg
2005-06-18 19:09                                               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-17 12:56                                     ` Lennart Sorensen
2005-06-18 22:30                                   ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-06-16  1:42                           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-13 13:35 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 17:20   ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-13 19:20     ` Alan Cox
2005-06-13 19:38       ` Måns Rullgård
2005-06-13 20:31       ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2005-06-15 20:50       ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16  1:52         ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16 10:14           ` Alexey Zaytsev
2005-06-16  1:49       ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  2:36         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-16  2:59           ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  4:33           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2005-06-16 14:37             ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-06-19 17:55               ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 18:38                 ` Alan Cox
2005-06-20 22:19                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-20 23:38                     ` Andreas Schwab
2005-08-26  0:00                   ` Daniel B.
2005-08-26  8:34                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-26 14:07                     ` Alan Cox
2005-06-15  9:13 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-16  1:55   ` Patrick McFarland
2005-06-16  3:59     ` [RFC] Filesystem name storage (Was: A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS.) Kyle Moffett
2005-06-18 15:24       ` Lukasz Stelmach
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2005-06-17  9:12               ` A Great Idea (tm) about reimplementing NLS Bodo Eggert
2005-06-18 15:31                 ` Lukasz Stelmach
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     [not found]   ` <4glbh-xY-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
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     [not found]         ` <4glbh-xY-37@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <4glbh-xY-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <4glbh-xY-41@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <4glbh-xY-25@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-06-17  9:56                 ` Bodo Eggert
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2005-06-17 23:22 Islam Amer

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