From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261708AbVF0UeY (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:34:24 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261689AbVF0UbA (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:31:00 -0400 Received: from prgy-npn1.prodigy.com ([207.115.54.37]:32262 "EHLO oddball.prodigy.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261709AbVF0U3O (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:29:14 -0400 Message-ID: <42C0623E.5040405@tmr.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:31:58 -0400 From: Bill Davidsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.6) Gecko/20050319 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" CC: Alan Cox , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: PATCH: IDE - sensible probing for PCI systems References: <1119356601.3279.118.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1119363150.3325.151.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1119379587.3325.182.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1119566026.18655.30.camel@localhost.localdomain> <42BC8C10.1040604@pobox.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Maciej W. Rozycki wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jun 2005, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > >>>Well, keyboard and mouse are USB these days, serial and parallel are PCI, >>>floppies are not used anymore and the ISA DMA controller would only be >> >>Oh, how I wish this were true! >> >>The pre-production machines I get (i.e. not even on the market yet) still have >>floppy, serial, and PS/2 kbd/mouse. > > > You must be getting them from wrong vendors. ;-) How about switching to > a reasonable platform that doesn't imply DOS compatibility? What's reasonable about a system without serial connectivity? Damn hard to debug with a serial console without one. Yes you can get around it, but it's one more issue to address. PS/2? I have enough KVM hardware in place to make that non-sales point, and I bet that there are lots of people with some fancy mouse, or keyboard, or game thingie, that it's cheaper to keep the features than drop them. I don't know if the ATX standard requires them, but low cost features are hard to drop. -- -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com) "The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the last possible moment - but no longer" -me