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From: Vara Prasad <prasadav@us.ibm.com>
To: "Tomasz Kłoczko" <kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Cc: Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, karim@opersys.com,
	varap@us.ibm.com, richardj_moore@uk.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Merging relayfs?
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:04:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42D52D77.3030706@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.62.0507131437200.6919@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Vara Prasad wrote:
>
>> Tomasz Kłoczko wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Tom Zanussi wrote:
>>>
>>>> =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= writes:
>>>> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Tom Zanussi wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > OK .. "so you can say better is stop flushing buffers on measure 
>>>> which
>>>> > wil take day or more" ? :_)
>>>> > Some DTrace probes/technik are specialy prepared for long or evel 
>>>> very
>>>> > long time experiment wich will only prodyce few lines results on 
>>>> end of
>>>> > experiment.
>>>> > Look at DTrace documentation for speculative tracing:
>>>> > http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-6223/6mlkidli7?a=view
>>>
>>
>> How do you propose to implement speculative tracing without a buffer 
>> to hold the data, when data needs to stay in the kernel for a while 
>> before we decide to commit or discard?
>
>
> Buffering some data inside kernel space and buffering with 
> infrastructure for transfer to user space this are two diffrent things.
>
> kloczek

O.K, looks like you are agreeing that we need a buffering mechanism in 
the kernel to implement speculative tracing, right. Once we have the 
buffering mechanism we need to create an efficient API for producers of 
the data to write to that buffering scheme. To my knowledge there is no 
such generic buffering mechanism already in the kernel, Relayfs 
implements that buffering scheme and an efficient API to write to it.  
Isn't that a good reason to have Relayfs merged?

Once the data in the buffer is decided to be committed you need a 
mechanism to get that data from the kernel to userspace. If you don't 
like Relayfs transfer mechanism, what do you suggest using?


  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-13 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-12  1:10 Merging relayfs? Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12  1:45 ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-12  2:17   ` Dave Airlie
2005-07-12  2:22   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12  9:12     ` Baruch Even
2005-07-12  2:25 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-12  2:34   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-12  2:59     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-14 13:26     ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-14 15:01       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-17 14:04         ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-17 15:52           ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18  5:17             ` Hareesh Nagarajan
2005-07-18 14:31               ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18 13:44             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-18 14:16               ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-18 14:32                 ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-18 15:20                   ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-18 15:58                     ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-22 20:43                       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-22 23:19                         ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-23  2:31                           ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-26  2:35                             ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-22 20:43                       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18 14:36                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-18 15:06                   ` Roman Zippel
2005-07-18 14:41               ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18  8:40         ` Richard J Moore
2005-07-12 13:03   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12  3:05 ` Greg KH
2005-07-12  3:03   ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-12  3:24     ` Greg KH
2005-07-12  3:52       ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-12  4:30         ` Greg KH
2005-07-12  4:40           ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-12  5:23             ` Greg KH
2005-07-12 14:36               ` Steve Rotolo
2005-07-12  3:55       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12  4:27         ` Greg KH
2005-07-12 14:01 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 14:21   ` Baruch Even
2005-07-12 15:30     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 15:16   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 15:44     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 16:27       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 17:01         ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 17:23           ` Tom Zanussi
     [not found]             ` <Pine.BSO.4.62.0507121935500.6919@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
     [not found]               ` <17108.1906.628755.613285@tut.ibm.com>
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.BSO.4.62.0507122026520.6919@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
     [not found]                   ` <17108.5721.202275.377020@tut.ibm.com>
2005-07-12 19:29                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 20:44                       ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-12 21:02               ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-13 12:40                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-13 15:04                   ` Vara Prasad [this message]
2005-07-13 16:22                     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-13  4:29           ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-13 13:47             ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-13 15:55               ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-13 15:56               ` Vara Prasad
2005-07-13 16:50                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-07-12 14:58 ` Jason Baron
2005-07-12 15:26   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 16:00     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 15:53   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 16:08     ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 16:23       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 16:36         ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 16:49           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 17:01             ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 21:38               ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-12 23:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-12 23:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-13  0:08                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-16 21:07 ` relayfs documentation sucks? bert hubert
2005-07-16 23:13   ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-17  9:01     ` [PATCH] " bert hubert
2005-07-17 15:43       ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-17 19:45         ` bert hubert
2005-07-17 20:47           ` Tom Zanussi
2005-07-18 13:27           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-07-20 21:27             ` Paul Jackson
2005-07-20 21:45               ` bert hubert
2005-07-21  0:31                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-07-22 20:01                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-07-22 20:33                   ` relayfs as infrastructure, ltt, systemtap, diskstat bert hubert
2005-07-23 18:53                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-23 18:53                   ` [PATCH] Re: relayfs documentation sucks? Christoph Hellwig
2005-07-25 23:47                     ` Karim Yaghmour
2005-07-26  5:15                       ` bert hubert
     [not found] <17107.6290.734560.231978@tut.ibm.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
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     [not found]   ` <20050711193409.043ecb14.akpm@osdl.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-07-12  4:36     ` Merging relayfs? Andi Kleen
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2005-07-13  8:13 Spirakis, Charles

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