Testing RC kernels

Testing RC kernels

[Sean Bruno]

<noob question>

I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get the patches
applied cleanly.

What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I be using to
apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?

</noob question>

Sean

Re: Testing RC kernels

[Lee Revell]

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:33 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> <noob question>
> 
> I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get the patches
> applied cleanly.
> 
> What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I be using to
> apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?

No, 2.6.12.

Lee

Re: Testing RC kernels

[Sean Bruno]

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:33 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> > <noob question>
> > 
> > I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get the patches
> > applied cleanly.
> > 
> > What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I be using to
> > apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?
> 
> No, 2.6.12.
> 
> Lee
> 

Ah!  Thanks.

Sean

Re: Testing RC kernels

[Michael Krufky]

Sean Bruno wrote:

><noob question>
>
>I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get the patches
>applied cleanly.
>
>What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I be using to
>apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?
>
></noob question>
>

2.6.13-rc* patches apply against 2.6.12  NOT 2.6.12.x

-- 
Michael Krufky

Re: Testing RC kernels

[Lee Revell]

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:36 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:33 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> > > <noob question>
> > > 
> > > I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get the patches
> > > applied cleanly.
> > > 
> > > What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I be using to
> > > apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?
> > 
> > No, 2.6.12.
> > 
> > Lee
> > 
> 
> Ah!  Thanks.

Thanks for testing the RCs, we need more users to do that.

If any of your hardware stops working, make sure to report it, don't
assume that it will fix itself!  Assume you're the first to notice the
bug.

Lee

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Steven Rostedt]

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:54 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:36 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:33 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> > > > <noob question>
> > > > 
> > > > I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get the patches
> > > > applied cleanly.
> > > > 
> > > > What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I be using to
> > > > apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?
> > > 
> > > No, 2.6.12.
> > > 
> > > Lee
> > > 
> > 
> > Ah!  Thanks.
> 
> Thanks for testing the RCs, we need more users to do that.
> 
> If any of your hardware stops working, make sure to report it, don't
> assume that it will fix itself!  Assume you're the first to notice the
> bug.

I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really needs
to show more information about the rc kernels and how to create them.
We want more testers, but I wonder how many people go through the above
steps and just give up when things don't work. Luckly Sean was nice
enough to email the LKML and ask.

My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what most of
the other patches go against.

-- Steve

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Sean Bruno]

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 15:21 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:

> I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really needs
> to show more information about the rc kernels and how to create them.
> We want more testers, but I wonder how many people go through the above
> steps and just give up when things don't work. Luckly Sean was nice
> enough to email the LKML and ask.
> 
> My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what most of
> the other patches go against.
> 
I would be more than willing to whip up an html how-to(and maintain it).
Is there any interest in this?

Sean

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Michael Krufky]

Sean Bruno wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 15:21 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>
>>I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really needs
>>to show more information about the rc kernels and how to create them.
>>We want more testers, but I wonder how many people go through the above
>>steps and just give up when things don't work. Luckly Sean was nice
>>enough to email the LKML and ask.
>>
>>My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what most of
>>the other patches go against.
>>
>I would be more than willing to whip up an html how-to(and maintain it).
>Is there any interest in this?
>
>Sean
>  
>
That's not the issue... The issue is that there isn't a direct link to 
download the 2.6.12 source from www.kernel.org homepage... However, the 
-rc patches need to be applied against 2.6.12, so this should *really* 
be linked to from the kernel.org website, in a place that is easy to see 
without too much trouble. (perhaps, directly above, or directly below 
2.6.12.x)

-- 
Michael Krufky

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Shayne O'Connor]

>> Thanks for testing the RCs, we need more users to do that.
>> 
>> If any of your hardware stops working, make sure to report it, don't
>> assume that it will fix itself!  Assume you're the first to notice the
>> bug.
> 
> I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really needs
> to show more information about the rc kernels and how to create them.
> We want more testers, but I wonder how many people go through the above
> steps and just give up when things don't work. Luckly Sean was nice
> enough to email the LKML and ask.
> 
> My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what most of
> the other patches go against.
> 
> -- Steve

yeah, it took me a while to figure out how to patch the kernel with the 
latest RC ... i'm finally there, though, and am addicted now to testing 
each bleeding edge kernel :(

shayne

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Bodo Eggert]

Sean Bruno <sean.bruno@dsl-only.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 15:21 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:

>> I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really needs
>> to show more information about the rc kernels and how to create them.
>> We want more testers, but I wonder how many people go through the above
>> steps and just give up when things don't work. Luckly Sean was nice
>> enough to email the LKML and ask.
>> 
>> My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what most of
>> the other patches go against.
>> 
> I would be more than willing to whip up an html how-to(and maintain it).
> Is there any interest in this?

I hacked some changes to create vogon-compatibility. Maybe you like it.
I'm not completely happy, but it's too late now.

Changes:
- Make first column more terse
- Move full download links to a seperate table, where they can be found.
- Add <h2> headings above the patches and above the tarballs
- Add some hints
- Create a dead link to a patching-HOWTO
- Add a 'applies to:' column
- fix legend to match changes


Signed-off-by: Bodo Eggert <7eggert@gmx.de>

--- index.ori	2005-08-03 02:26:03.618204515 +0200
+++ index.html	2005-08-03 02:35:57.326133017 +0200
@@ -16,5 +16,5 @@
 	body{margin:10px;padding:0px;background:#fff;color:#000;font-family:Sans-Serif;}
 	h1{padding:4px;text-align:center;border:4px double #000;background:#ffd;}
-	h2{padding:4px;border:1px solid #888;background:#ffd;}
+	h2{padding:4px;border:1px solid #888;background:#ffd;text-align:center;}
 	table{border:0;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;margin-bottom:10px;}
 	th{background:#bbd;padding:2px;}
@@ -31,5 +31,5 @@
 	#sponsors{text-align:center;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;}
 	#trademark{font-size:75%;text-align:center;}
-	#versions{text-align:center;}
+	#versions{text-align:left;}
 	.kver{text-align:center;color:#004;font-size:90%;}
 	.pvkey{color:#400;font-size:66%;}
@@ -72,10 +72,29 @@
   <div id="versions">
 
+<h2>Latest kernel patches</h2>
+
   <table class="kver">
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest stable version of the Linux kernel is:&nbsp;</td>
+
+<p>Use these patches if you want to upgrade your kernel source within a kernel series.</p>
+<p>Complete tarballs are <a href="#tarballs">below</a></p>
+<p>For a complete list of patches and source tarballs, see the kernel <a href="http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/">
+archive</a>.</p>
+<p>Please read the <a href="kernel-patching-HOWTO.html">kernel-patching-HOWTO</a></p>
+
+<td>latest upgrade to stable</td>
+<td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.12.bz2">2.6.12</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.6.11</td>
+<td>2005-07-15 21:38 UTC</td>
+<td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Fpatch-2.6.12.3.bz2">V</a></td>
+<td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Fincr%2Fpatch-2.6.12.2-3.bz2">VI</a></td>
+<td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/git/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fgregkh%2Flinux-2.6.12.y.git;a=summary">C</a></td>
+<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.12.3">Changelog</a></td>
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+<td>stability and security patches</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/patch-2.6.12.3.bz2">2.6.12.3</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.6.12</td>
 <td>2005-07-15 21:38 UTC</td>
-<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.3.tar.bz2">F</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Fpatch-2.6.12.3.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Fincr%2Fpatch-2.6.12.2-3.bz2">VI</a></td>
@@ -84,8 +103,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest <a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/pre.html">prepatch</a> for the stable Linux kernel tree is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td><a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/pre.html">prepatch</a> for the stable</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/patch-2.6.13-rc5.bz2">2.6.13-rc5</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.6.12</td>
 <td>2005-08-02 05:09 UTC</td>
-<td>&nbsp;</td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Ftesting%2Fpatch-2.6.13-rc5.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Ftesting%2Fincr%2Fpatch-2.6.13-rc4-rc5.bz2">VI</a></td>
@@ -94,8 +113,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest <a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/snapshot.html">snapshot</a> for the stable Linux kernel tree is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td><a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/snapshot.html">snapshot</a> for the stable</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/snapshots/patch-2.6.12-git10.bz2">2.6.12-git10</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.6.12</td>
 <td>2005-06-28 09:02 UTC</td>
-<td>&nbsp;</td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.6%2Fsnapshots%2Fpatch-2.6.12-git10.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td>&nbsp;</td>
@@ -104,8 +123,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest 2.4 version of the Linux kernel is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td>Version 2.4 series</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/patch-2.4.31.bz2">2.4.31</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.4.30</td>
 <td>2005-06-01 00:57 UTC</td>
-<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.31.tar.bz2">F</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.4%2Fpatch-2.4.31.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.4%2Ftesting%2Fincr%2Fpatch-2.4.31-rc2-final.bz2">VI</a></td>
@@ -114,8 +133,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest <a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/pre.html">prepatch</a> for the 2.4 Linux kernel tree is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td><a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/pre.html">prepatch</a> for the 2.4</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/testing/patch-2.4.32-pre2.bz2">2.4.32-pre2</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.4.31</td>
 <td>2005-07-27 19:56 UTC</td>
-<td>&nbsp;</td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.4%2Ftesting%2Fpatch-2.4.32-pre2.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.4%2Ftesting%2Fincr%2Fpatch-2.4.32-pre1-pre2.bz2">VI</a></td>
@@ -124,8 +143,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest 2.2 version of the Linux kernel is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td>Version 2.2 series</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/patch-2.2.26.bz2">2.2.26</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.2.25</td>
 <td>2004-02-25 00:28 UTC</td>
-<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/linux-2.2.26.tar.bz2">F</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.2%2Fpatch-2.2.26.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td>&nbsp;</td>
@@ -134,8 +153,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest <a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/pre.html">prepatch</a> for the 2.2 Linux kernel tree is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td><a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/pre.html">prepatch</a> for the 2.2</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/testing/patch-2.2.27-rc2.bz2">2.2.27-rc2</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.2.26</td>
 <td>2005-01-12 23:55 UTC</td>
-<td>&nbsp;</td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.2%2Ftesting%2Fpatch-2.2.27-rc2.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.2%2Ftesting%2Fincr%2Fpatch-2.2.27-rc1-rc2.bz2">VI</a></td>
@@ -144,8 +163,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest 2.0 version of the Linux kernel is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td>Version 2.0 series</td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.0/patch-2.0.40.bz2">2.0.40</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.0.39</td>
 <td>2004-02-08 07:13 UTC</td>
-<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.0/linux-2.0.40.tar.bz2">F</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.0%2Fpatch-2.0.40.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fv2.0%2Ftesting%2Fincr%2Fpatch-2.0.40-rc8-final.bz2">VI</a></td>
@@ -154,8 +173,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest <a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/ac.html">-ac patch</a> to the stable Linux kernels is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td><a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/ac.html">-ac patch</a></td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/people/alan/linux-2.6/2.6.11/patch-2.6.11-ac7.bz2">2.6.11-ac7</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: 2.6.11</td>
 <td>2005-04-11 18:36 UTC</td>
-<td>&nbsp;</td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fpeople%2Falan%2Flinux-2.6%2F2.6.11%2Fpatch-2.6.11-ac7.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td>&nbsp;</td>
@@ -164,8 +183,8 @@
 </tr>
 <tr align="left">
-<td>The latest <a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/mm.html">-mm patch</a> to the stable Linux kernels is:&nbsp;</td>
+<td><a href="http://kernel.org/patchtypes/mm.html">-mm patch</a></td>
 <td><b><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/people/akpm/patches/2.6/2.6.13-rc4/2.6.13-rc4-mm1/2.6.13-rc4-mm1.bz2">2.6.13-rc4-mm1</a></b></td>
+<td>applies to: <a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/patch-2.6.13-rc4.bz2">2.6.13-rc4</a></td>
 <td>2005-07-31 08:45 UTC</td>
-<td>&nbsp;</td>
 <td><a href="http://www.kernel.org/diff/diffview.cgi?file=%2Fpub%2Flinux%2Fkernel%2Fpeople%2Fakpm%2Fpatches%2F2.6%2F2.6.13-rc4%2F2.6.13-rc4-mm1%2F2.6.13-rc4-mm1.bz2">V</a></td>
 <td>&nbsp;</td>
@@ -176,6 +195,6 @@
   </table>
 
-  <p class="pvkey">
-    <b>F</b> = full source, <b>V</b> = view patch,
+  <p class="pvkey" align="center">
+    <b>V</b> = view patch,
     <b>VI</b> = view incremental, <b>C</b> = current <a href="changeset.html">changesets</a><br />
     Changelogs are provided by the kernel authors directly. Please
@@ -183,4 +202,41 @@
     <a href="diff/config.html">Customize the patch viewer</a>
   </p>
+<a name="tarballs"><h2>Latest kernel archives</h2></a>
+
+<p>This is the complete kernel source. If you don't have an old version from the same
+kernel series, get one of these. Otherwise, you may want to upgrade using the patches
+from above</p>
+
+<table class="kver">
+<tr align="left">
+<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.3.tar.bz2">2.6.12.3</a></td>
+<td>The current kernel source with stability- and security-fixes from above</td>
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.12.tar.bz2">2.6.12</a></td>
+<td>The current kernel source, suitable for patching</td>
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/linux-2.6.11.tar.bz2">2.6.11</a></td>
+<td>The kernel source suitable for the -ac-patch</td>
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.4/linux-2.4.31.tar.bz2">2.4.31</a></td>
+<td>The latest 2.4 kernel source</td>
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.2/linux-2.2.26.tar.bz2">2.2.26</a></td>
+<td>The latest 2.2 kernel source</td>
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+<td><a href="/pub/linux/kernel/v2.0/linux-2.0.40.tar.bz2">2.0.40</a></td>
+<td>The latest 2.0 kernel source</td>
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+</tr>
+<tr align="left">
+</tr>
+</table>
+
   </div>
 
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Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 02 August 2005 15:21, Steven Rostedt wrote:
>On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:54 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
>> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:36 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
>> > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:33 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
>> > > > <noob question>
>> > > >
>> > > > I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get
>> > > > the patches applied cleanly.
>> > > >
>> > > > What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I
>> > > > be using to apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?
>> > >
>> > > No, 2.6.12.
>> > >
>> > > Lee
>> >
>> > Ah!  Thanks.
>>
>> Thanks for testing the RCs, we need more users to do that.
>>
>> If any of your hardware stops working, make sure to report it,
>> don't assume that it will fix itself!  Assume you're the first to
>> notice the bug.
>
>I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really
> needs to show more information about the rc kernels and how to
> create them. We want more testers, but I wonder how many people go
> through the above steps and just give up when things don't work.
> Luckly Sean was nice enough to email the LKML and ask.
>
>My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what most
> of the other patches go against.

Can someone with access to the html for kernel.org please fix that?  
We've had several messages now complaining about this.

FWIW, gftp users CAN find it, its sitting right in 
the /pub/linux/kernel/2.6 directory in plain sight.

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Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Randy.Dunlap]

On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 22:04:16 -0400 Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 August 2005 15:21, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> >On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:54 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> >> On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:36 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> >> > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 14:36 -0400, Lee Revell wrote:
> >> > > On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 11:33 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> >> > > > <noob question>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have been trying to test the 2.6.13 and can't quite get
> >> > > > the patches applied cleanly.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > What kernel version (full kernel source tar ball) should I
> >> > > > be using to apply the patches(rc5) with?  Is it 2.6.12.3?
> >> > >
> >> > > No, 2.6.12.
> >> > >
> >> > > Lee
> >> >
> >> > Ah!  Thanks.
> >>
> >> Thanks for testing the RCs, we need more users to do that.
> >>
> >> If any of your hardware stops working, make sure to report it,
> >> don't assume that it will fix itself!  Assume you're the first to
> >> notice the bug.
> >
> >I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really
> > needs to show more information about the rc kernels and how to
> > create them. We want more testers, but I wonder how many people go
> > through the above steps and just give up when things don't work.
> > Luckly Sean was nice enough to email the LKML and ask.
> >
> >My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what most
> > of the other patches go against.
> 
> Can someone with access to the html for kernel.org please fix that?  
> We've had several messages now complaining about this.

Was the request cc-ed to webmaster@kernel.org (along with
the [KORG] in the subject line)?
I can't tell from the email archives.

> FWIW, gftp users CAN find it, its sitting right in 
> the /pub/linux/kernel/2.6 directory in plain sight.

Sure, anyone can find it if they search enough subdirectories
and know what they are looking for.

---
~Randy

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Steven Rostedt]

On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 19:13 -0700, Randy.Dunlap wrote:
> 
> Was the request cc-ed to webmaster@kernel.org (along with
> the [KORG] in the subject line)?
> I can't tell from the email archives.

Yep, my first (and only?) post on this CC'ed webmaster@kernel.org and I
added [KORG] to the subject. Hopefully it works when it's not first, I
didn't want to screw up people's threads too much.

-- Steve

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 02 August 2005 22:13, Randy.Dunlap wrote:

>> >I've been complaining about this for some time. Kernel.org really
>> > needs to show more information about the rc kernels and how to
>> > create them. We want more testers, but I wonder how many people
>> > go through the above steps and just give up when things don't
>> > work. Luckly Sean was nice enough to email the LKML and ask.
>> >
>> >My main gripe is that there's no link to 2.6.12 which is what
>> > most of the other patches go against.
>>
>> Can someone with access to the html for kernel.org please fix
>> that? We've had several messages now complaining about this.
>
>Was the request cc-ed to webmaster@kernel.org (along with
>the [KORG] in the subject line)?
>I can't tell from the email archives.

It is as of this message Randy.

>> FWIW, gftp users CAN find it, its sitting right in
>> the /pub/linux/kernel/2.6 directory in plain sight.
>
>Sure, anyone can find it if they search enough subdirectories
>and know what they are looking for.

And my point is that anyone with the skills to build a kernel 
shouldn't have any problems at all find it with gftp.  It comes with 
a pre-canned set of bookmarks that include ftp.kernel.org.

>---
>~Randy

-- 
Cheers, Gene
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Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[H. Peter Anvin]

Bodo Eggert wrote:
> 
> I hacked some changes to create vogon-compatibility. Maybe you like it.
> I'm not completely happy, but it's too late now.
> 
> Changes:
> - Make first column more terse
> - Move full download links to a seperate table, where they can be found.
> - Add <h2> headings above the patches and above the tarballs
> - Add some hints
> - Create a dead link to a patching-HOWTO
> - Add a 'applies to:' column
> - fix legend to match changes
> 

This is completely useless.  The issue isn't the formatting, the issue 
is to make yet another change to an already hard-to-maintain set of scripts.

	-hpa

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Michael Krufky]

H. Peter Anvin wrote:

> Bodo Eggert wrote:
>
>>
>> I hacked some changes to create vogon-compatibility. Maybe you like it.
>> I'm not completely happy, but it's too late now.
>>
>> Changes:
>> - Make first column more terse
>> - Move full download links to a seperate table, where they can be found.
>> - Add <h2> headings above the patches and above the tarballs
>> - Add some hints
>> - Create a dead link to a patching-HOWTO
>> - Add a 'applies to:' column
>> - fix legend to match changes
>>
>
> This is completely useless.  The issue isn't the formatting, the issue 
> is to make yet another change to an already hard-to-maintain set of 
> scripts.
>
>     -hpa

Why not just have the scripts plug values into a database, and have the 
html/php be formatted like Bodo suggests, and reads content from database?
Very simple, less maintenance... Only requires 1 initial redesign, and 
easier maintainence of the scripts that you speak of.

-- 
Michael Krufky

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[H. Peter Anvin]

Michael Krufky wrote:
> 
> Why not just have the scripts plug values into a database, and have the 
> html/php be formatted like Bodo suggests, and reads content from database?
> Very simple, less maintenance... Only requires 1 initial redesign, and 
> easier maintainence of the scripts that you speak of.
> 

The issue is to generate the values, not present them.

	-hpa

Re: Testing RC kernels

[Jiri Slaby]

Michael Krufky napsal(a):

> 2.6.13-rc* patches apply against 2.6.12  NOT 2.6.12.x

The best way to find out this, is to look into patch file on
--- linux-2.6.13-rc4/Makefile
line, a few lines below is -old version (to patch) and +new version as 
result ;).

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Bodo Eggert]

On Tue, 2 Aug 2005, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> Michael Krufky wrote:

> > Why not just have the scripts plug values into a database, and have the 
> > html/php be formatted like Bodo suggests, and reads content from database?
> > Very simple, less maintenance... Only requires 1 initial redesign, and 
> > easier maintainence of the scripts that you speak of.
> > 
> 
> The issue is to generate the values, not present them.

Which values are available, and how are they generated?

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[Andrew James Wade]

On August 2, 2005 11:30 pm, Gene Heskett wrote:
> And my point is that anyone with the skills to build a kernel 
> shouldn't have any problems at all find it with gftp.

I updated my kernel more frequently after learning of ketchup.
(<http://www.selenic.com/ketchup/>). The bother of getting the
patch sequence right and applying it was enough to discourage me.
No, it's not particularly difficult, but it may well be enough
to discourage casual testers. 

Posting a link to ketchup on kernel.org may also decrease the
bandwidth demand, as it seems to be pretty intelligent about
using patches.

Re: Testing RC kernels [KORG]

[John Stoffel]

>>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew James Wade <andrew.j.wade@gmail.com> writes:

Andrew> I updated my kernel more frequently after learning of ketchup.
Andrew> (<http://www.selenic.com/ketchup/>). The bother of getting the
Andrew> patch sequence right and applying it was enough to discourage me.
Andrew> No, it's not particularly difficult, but it may well be enough
Andrew> to discourage casual testers. 

Hear hear!  Ketchup is an amazing tool and automates a boring task, so
it's got my vote for most useful kernel build tool right now.

John