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From: James Bruce <bruce@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Ondrej Zary <linux@rainbow-software.org>
Cc: sclark46@earthlink.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Power consumption HZ100, HZ250, HZ1000: new numbers
Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2005 02:39:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42F30992.9080605@andrew.cmu.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42EF9A8E.8020302@rainbow-software.org>

Ondrej Zary wrote:
> James Bruce wrote:
>> Stephen Clark wrote:
>>> Maybe new desktop systems - but what about the tens of millions of 
>>> old systems that don't.
>>
>> If it's an old system, it probably doesn't have working ACPI C-states 
>> though.  Without that, low HZ does not save you anything.  I should 
>> have said: 99% of desktops with the capability to do ACPI sleep have 
>> at least one USB device attached (usually a mouse).
>
> rainbow@pentium:~$ cat /proc/acpi/processor/CPU0/power
> active state:            C2
> max_cstate:              C8
> bus master activity:     00000000
> states:
>     C1:                  type[C1] promotion[C2] demotion[--] 
> latency[000] usage[00052470]
>    *C2:                  type[C2] promotion[--] demotion[C1] 
> latency[090] usage[02699149]
> 
> This is PCPartner TXB820DS motherboard (Socket 7, i430TX) with 1998 
> Award BIOS and C-states seem to work fine. I've tested it in Windows 98 
> some time ago - the CPU is almost cold when idle with ACPI enabled and 
> hot with ACPI disabled (that's partly caused by the fact that Windows 9x 
> does not HLT the CPU when idle). With Pentium 100MHz in the socket and 
> ACPI enabled, I could even touch the CPU (without heatsink) without 
> burning my fingers.

Ok I stand corrected, I had no idea there were machines that old where 
ACPI worked correctly in Linux.

Do you see the same kind of heat reduction in Linux as Win98?  What HZ 
value are you using, as the latency for entering C2 on your machine 
looks pretty substantial (Your C2 almost looks like a new machine's C3 
state, which is supposedly the first level where substantial power 
savings occur on a new machines).

  - Jim Bruce

  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-05  6:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-29 22:49 Power consumption HZ100, HZ250, HZ1000: new numbers Marc Ballarin
2005-07-29 23:15 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-30 10:06   ` Marc Ballarin
2005-07-30 18:05     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-30 18:18       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-30 18:14         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-30 18:35         ` Lee Revell
2005-08-01 20:00         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-30 19:51       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-30 20:04         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-30 20:10           ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-31 20:21             ` James Bruce
2005-07-31 21:10               ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-31 21:41                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-31 21:57                   ` James Bruce
2005-07-31 22:32                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-31 23:20                     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2005-08-01  1:59                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-08-02  9:08                   ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-07-31 21:54                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-31 22:02                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-31 22:18                   ` James Bruce
2005-07-31 22:07                 ` Jim Crilly
2005-07-31 22:36                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-31 22:39                     ` Lee Revell
2005-08-01  3:49                     ` Jim Crilly
2005-08-01  7:26                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-01 18:16                         ` Jim Crilly
2005-08-10 18:49                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-31 22:12                 ` James Bruce
2005-07-31 22:47                   ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-31 23:23                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-31 23:29                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-31 23:53                         ` Lee Revell
2005-08-01  7:28                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-10 19:00                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-08-01  6:19                       ` Stefan Seyfried
2005-08-01 16:07                         ` Jan Knutar
2005-08-01 18:45                           ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02  9:13                         ` Tomasz Torcz
2005-08-02 14:58                           ` Lee Revell
2005-08-01  7:44                       ` David Weinehall
2005-08-01 16:18                         ` James Bruce
2005-08-01 19:27                           ` Lee Revell
2005-08-01 20:42                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-08-02  4:50                             ` James Bruce
2005-08-02 13:10                               ` Stephen Clark
2005-08-02 14:02                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 14:12                                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-08-02 17:06                                     ` Folkert van Heusden
2005-08-02 17:45                                       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-02 17:55                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 14:15                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-08-02 14:20                                   ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-08-02 14:22                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 15:18                                     ` Joel Jaeggli
2005-08-03  8:53                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2005-08-02 14:43                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-08-02 14:52                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 19:26                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-08-02 15:42                                 ` James Bruce
2005-08-02 15:58                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 17:02                                     ` Prakash Punnoor
2005-08-02 16:08                                   ` Ondrej Zary
2005-08-05  6:39                                     ` James Bruce [this message]
2005-08-11 19:22                                       ` Ondrej Zary
2005-08-03  9:19                               ` Hans Kristian Rosbach
2005-08-03 13:57                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-08-04 12:52                                   ` Hans Kristian Rosbach
2005-08-02  6:45                           ` Tony Lindgren
2005-08-02 11:23                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-02 14:08                             ` Lee Revell
2005-08-02 14:31                               ` Roman Zippel
2005-08-02 11:25                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-02 14:07                             ` Lee Revell
2005-08-03 17:13                               ` Stephen Ray
2005-08-03 19:12                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-30 20:08         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-30 10:06 ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-10 19:08   ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-08-03 15:20 ambx1
2005-08-03 16:47 ` James Bruce

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