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From: Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 23:03:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43057641.70700@symas.com> (raw)

Hm, seems there's a great deal of misinformation in this thread.

>  I also think OpenLDAP is wrong. First, it should be calling
>  pthread_yield() because slapd is a multithreading process and it just
>  wants to run the other threads. See:
...
>  AFAIKS, sched_yield should only really be used by realtime
>  applications that know exactly what they're doing.

pthread_yield() was deleted from the POSIX threads drafts years ago. 
sched_yield() is the officially supported API, and OpenLDAP is using it 
for the documented purpose. Anyone who says "applications shouldn't be 
using sched_yield()" doesn't know what they're talking about.

>  It's really more a feature than a bug that it breaks so easily
>  because they should be really using futexes instead, which have much
>  better behaviour than any sched_yield ever could (they will directly
>  wake up another process waiting for the lock and avoid the thundering
>  herd for contended locks)

You assume that spinlocks are the only reason a developer may want to 
yield the processor. This assumption is unfounded. Case in point - the 
primary backend in OpenLDAP uses a transactional database with 
page-level locking of its data structures to provide high levels of 
concurrency. It is the nature of such a system to encounter deadlocks 
over the normal course of operations. When a deadlock is detected, some 
thread must be chosen (by one of a variety of algorithms) to abort its 
transaction, in order to allow other operations to proceed to 
completion. In this situation, the chosen thread must get control of the 
CPU long enough to clean itself up, and then it must yield the CPU in 
order to allow any other competing threads to complete their 
transaction. The thread with the aborted transaction relinquishes all of 
its locks and then waits to get another shot at the CPU to try 
everything over again. Again, this is all fundamental to the nature of 
transactional programming. If the 2.6 kernel makes this programming 
model unreasonably slow, then quite simply this kernel is not viable as 
a database platform.

-- 
  -- Howard Chu
  Chief Architect, Symas Corp.  http://www.symas.com
  Director, Highland Sun        http://highlandsun.com/hyc
  OpenLDAP Core Team            http://www.openldap.org/project/


             reply	other threads:[~2005-08-19  6:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-19  6:03 Howard Chu [this message]
2005-08-19  6:34 ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  6:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-08-19 22:45   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-19 10:21 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-19 23:10   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 13:23     ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-20 19:49       ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 22:08         ` Nikita Danilov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-24 22:59 e100 oops on resume Stefan Seyfried
2006-01-24 23:21 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-01-25  9:02   ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 12:11     ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 13:51       ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Howard Chu
2006-01-25 14:38         ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-25 17:49         ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-26  1:07         ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26  8:30           ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26  9:01             ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 10:50             ` Nikita Danilov
     [not found] <5uZqb-4fo-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-14 22:47 ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-14 19:29 Howard Chu
     [not found] <43057641.70700@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <17157.45712.877795.437505@gargle.gargle.HOWL.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <430666DB.70802@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-20 13:48     ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-21 19:47       ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22  5:09         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:06           ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-22 18:47             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:20           ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22 23:19             ` Howard Chu
     [not found] <4D8eT-4rg-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-08-20  3:20 ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-20  4:18   ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-20 18:38     ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 20:57       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-20 21:24         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-21  0:36           ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-21 11:33           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-22  8:06             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 21:50       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-21  1:04       ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-22 11:44         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-22 14:26           ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-23 11:17             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-23 12:07               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-08-24  3:37                 ` Lincoln Dale
     [not found] <4303DB48.8010902@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20050818010703.GA13127@nineveh.rivenstone.net.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <4303F967.6000404@yahoo.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <43054D9A.7090509@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-19  3:19       ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-19  3:30         ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:50 Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:47 ` Con Kolivas
2005-08-18 10:48   ` Maciej Soltysiak
2005-08-18  1:07 ` Joseph Fannin
2005-08-18  2:25   ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  2:58   ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  3:10     ` Bernardo Innocenti

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