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From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:20:22 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4306A176.3090907@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D8eT-4rg-31@gated-at.bofh.it>

Howard Chu wrote:
> You assume that spinlocks are the only reason a developer may want to 
> yield the processor. This assumption is unfounded. Case in point - the 
> primary backend in OpenLDAP uses a transactional database with 
> page-level locking of its data structures to provide high levels of 
> concurrency. It is the nature of such a system to encounter deadlocks 
> over the normal course of operations. When a deadlock is detected, some 
> thread must be chosen (by one of a variety of algorithms) to abort its 
> transaction, in order to allow other operations to proceed to 
> completion. In this situation, the chosen thread must get control of the 
> CPU long enough to clean itself up, and then it must yield the CPU in 
> order to allow any other competing threads to complete their 
> transaction. The thread with the aborted transaction relinquishes all of 
> its locks and then waits to get another shot at the CPU to try 
> everything over again. Again, this is all fundamental to the nature of 
> transactional programming. If the 2.6 kernel makes this programming 
> model unreasonably slow, then quite simply this kernel is not viable as 
> a database platform.

I fail to see how sched_yield is going to be very helpful in this 
situation. Since that call can sleep from a range of time ranging from 
zero to a long time, it's going to give unpredictable results.

It seems to me that this sort of thing is why we have POSIX pthread 
synchronization primitives.. sched_yield is basically there for a 
process to indicate that "what I'm doing doesn't matter much, let other 
stuff run". Any other use of it generally constitutes some kind of hack.

-- 
Robert Hancock      Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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       reply	other threads:[~2005-08-20  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4D8eT-4rg-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-08-20  3:20 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2005-08-20  4:18   ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Nick Piggin
2005-08-20 18:38     ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 20:57       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-20 21:24         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-21  0:36           ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-21 11:33           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-22  8:06             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 21:50       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-21  1:04       ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-22 11:44         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-22 14:26           ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-23 11:17             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-23 12:07               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-08-24  3:37                 ` Lincoln Dale
2006-01-24 22:59 e100 oops on resume Stefan Seyfried
2006-01-24 23:21 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-01-25  9:02   ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 12:11     ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 13:51       ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Howard Chu
2006-01-25 14:38         ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-25 17:49         ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-26  1:07         ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26  8:30           ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26  9:01             ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 10:50             ` Nikita Danilov
     [not found] <5uZqb-4fo-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-14 22:47 ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-14 19:29 Howard Chu
     [not found] <43057641.70700@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <17157.45712.877795.437505@gargle.gargle.HOWL.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <430666DB.70802@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-20 13:48     ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-21 19:47       ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22  5:09         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:06           ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-22 18:47             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:20           ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22 23:19             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-19  6:03 Howard Chu
2005-08-19  6:34 ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  6:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-08-19 22:45   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-19 10:21 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-19 23:10   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 13:23     ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-20 19:49       ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 22:08         ` Nikita Danilov
     [not found] <4303DB48.8010902@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20050818010703.GA13127@nineveh.rivenstone.net.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <4303F967.6000404@yahoo.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <43054D9A.7090509@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-19  3:19       ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-19  3:30         ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:50 Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:47 ` Con Kolivas
2005-08-18 10:48   ` Maciej Soltysiak
2005-08-18  1:07 ` Joseph Fannin
2005-08-18  2:25   ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  2:58   ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  3:10     ` Bernardo Innocenti

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