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From: Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 11:47:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <430A1DB5.9070000@symas.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050822130618.GA19007@wotan.suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> > processes (PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM). The previous comment about slapd
> > only needing to yield within a single process is inaccurate; since
> > we allow slapcat to run concurrently with slapd (to allow hot
> > backups) we need BerkeleyDB's locking/yield functions to work in
> > System scope.

>  That's broken by design - it means you can be arbitarily starved by
>  other processes running in parallel. You are basically assuming your
>  application is the only thing running on the system which is wrong.
>  Also there are enough synchronization primitives that can synchronize
>  multiple processes without making such broken assumptions.

Again, I think you overstate the problem. "Arbitrarily starved by other 
processes" implies that the process scheduler will do a poor job and 
will allow the slapd process to be starved. We do not assume we're the 
only app on the system, we just assume that eventually we will get the 
CPU back. If that's not a valid assumption, then there is something 
wrong with the underlying system environment.

Something you ought to keep in mind - correctness and compliance are 
well and good, but worthless if the end result isn't useful. Windows NT 
has a POSIX-compliant subsystem but it is utterly useless. That's what 
you wind up with when all you do is conform to the letter of the spec.

-- 
  -- Howard Chu
  Chief Architect, Symas Corp.  http://www.symas.com
  Director, Highland Sun        http://highlandsun.com/hyc
  OpenLDAP Core Team            http://www.openldap.org/project/


  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-22 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <43057641.70700@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <17157.45712.877795.437505@gargle.gargle.HOWL.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <430666DB.70802@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-20 13:48     ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Andi Kleen
2005-08-21 19:47       ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22  5:09         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:06           ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-22 18:47             ` Howard Chu [this message]
2005-08-22 13:20           ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22 23:19             ` Howard Chu
2006-01-24 22:59 e100 oops on resume Stefan Seyfried
2006-01-24 23:21 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-01-25  9:02   ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 12:11     ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 13:51       ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Howard Chu
2006-01-25 14:38         ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-25 17:49         ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-26  1:07         ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26  8:30           ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26  9:01             ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 10:50             ` Nikita Danilov
     [not found] <5uZqb-4fo-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-14 22:47 ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-14 19:29 Howard Chu
     [not found] <4D8eT-4rg-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-08-20  3:20 ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-20  4:18   ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-20 18:38     ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 20:57       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-20 21:24         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-21  0:36           ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-21 11:33           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-22  8:06             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 21:50       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-21  1:04       ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-22 11:44         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-22 14:26           ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-23 11:17             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-23 12:07               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-08-24  3:37                 ` Lincoln Dale
2005-08-19  6:03 Howard Chu
2005-08-19  6:34 ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  6:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-08-19 22:45   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-19 10:21 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-19 23:10   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 13:23     ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-20 19:49       ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 22:08         ` Nikita Danilov
     [not found] <4303DB48.8010902@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20050818010703.GA13127@nineveh.rivenstone.net.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <4303F967.6000404@yahoo.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <43054D9A.7090509@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-19  3:19       ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-19  3:30         ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:50 Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:47 ` Con Kolivas
2005-08-18 10:48   ` Maciej Soltysiak
2005-08-18  1:07 ` Joseph Fannin
2005-08-18  2:25   ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  2:58   ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  3:10     ` Bernardo Innocenti

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