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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Cc: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Paul Misner <paul@misner.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS
Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2005 12:38:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <431F1778.5050200@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050904203725.GB4715@redhat.com>

Dave Jones wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 10:13:10PM +0200, Bas Westerbaan wrote:
>  > > > Though 4K stacks are used a lot, they probably aren't used on all
>  > > > configurations yet. Other situations may arise where 8K stacks may be
>  > > > preferred. It is too early to kill 8K stacks imho.
>  > > 
>  > > Please name situations where 8K stacks may be preferred that do not
>  > > involve binary-only modules.
>  > 
>  > I meant that there could be situations, which have not yet been found,
> 
> And the boogeyman might really exist too.
> This is just hypotetical hand-waving.
> 
>  > where it could be preferred to use 8K stacks instead of 4K. When you
>  > switch from having 8K stacks as default to 4K stacks without
>  > possibility for 8K stacks you'd possibly encounter these yet to be
>  > found situations.
> 
> Fedora kernels have been built with 4K stacks for a long time.
> (Since even before the option went upstream). The only things that
> have been reported to have problems with 4KB stacks are..
> 
> - NDISwrapper / driverloader.
>   (Shock, horror - no-one cares).

Actually, people who want to run Linux on laptops instead of MS care a 
whole bunch! And not everyone has a committment from their employer to 
provide Linux compatible hardware, or the personal funds to spend extra 
to buy their own instead of getting a bargain laptop which may not be 
fully supported. 8KSTACKS is in and working, you are proposing to break 
Linux on a number of machines just to satisfy some personal distaste for 
the code, not because there is neat new code which fails to work with 8K 
stacks.

You must have something more useful to work on, which would ADD value to 
the kernel instead of breaking existing installations. Ripping out petty 
stuff which works is a waste of your time and talent, please find 
something better to do. Perhaps devise a way for programs like 
ndiswrapper to provide their own stack, for instance.

-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-07 16:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <4IcUz-7H2-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4J2gx-3zf-3@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J5R1-cH-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <4J6ao-L9-21@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <4J6jZ-Xg-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <4J8vt-43Y-13@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-02  6:08           ` RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS Alex Davis
2005-09-04 12:49             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-04 13:30               ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-09-04 14:49                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-04 16:44               ` Paul Misner
2005-09-04 17:07                 ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-04 17:12                   ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 19:22                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-04 19:33                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 20:13                       ` Bas Westerbaan
2005-09-04 20:37                         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-07 16:38                           ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2005-09-07 17:53                             ` Mike Galbraith
2005-09-08 19:05                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 19:27                                 ` Large File Support in Kernel 2.6 Andreas Baer
2005-09-08 20:16                                   ` Mike Houston
2005-09-09  8:39                                     ` Andreas Baer
2005-09-05 22:32                       ` RFC: i386: kill !4KSTACKS Thorild Selen
2005-09-05 23:06                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-06 10:29 Chuck Ebbert
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-09-05  2:00 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  2:07 ` Sean
2005-09-05  2:29   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:00     ` Sean
2005-09-05  3:41       ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  3:51         ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:03           ` Alex Davis
2005-09-05  4:12             ` Sean
2005-09-05  4:36               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  4:47                 ` Sean
2005-09-05  5:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  5:31                     ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:04                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-05  6:20                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:29                         ` Pekka Enberg
2005-09-05 15:29                     ` Horst von Brand
2005-09-08 20:18                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 22:51                         ` Sean
2005-09-05  6:41                 ` Sander
2005-09-05  8:01                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-08 20:01                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08 20:24                   ` Christopher Friesen
2005-09-05  3:54         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05  4:26         ` Dave Jones
2005-09-05  4:48           ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-06 17:04           ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-09-05  1:30 Alex Davis
2005-09-05  1:41 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-05  1:56   ` dean gaudet
     [not found] <4I7UM-M1-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <4ITG4-8nH-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <4J1DC-2NU-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-09-04 17:33     ` Robert Hancock
2005-09-04 14:51 Alex Davis
2005-09-04 17:11 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04 17:11   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-09-04 17:19 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-06  4:37   ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  6:39     ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-06  7:13       ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06  7:32         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-06  7:50           ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 13:29           ` Diego Calleja
2005-09-06 13:25     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 17:05       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 17:23         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-06 18:42           ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-06 18:46             ` viro
2005-09-06 19:42           ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-06 20:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-07 17:46             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-07 17:54               ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 19:52                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:17                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 20:29                     ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 20:28                   ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-07 21:57                     ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07 23:25                       ` Jan Kiszka
2005-09-08  1:06                         ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-08 19:43                 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-06 22:19           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:21             ` Andi Kleen
2005-09-06 22:36               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 23:40                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-09-06 22:28             ` Roland Dreier
2005-09-07  0:04               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-06 22:42             ` Giridhar Pemmasani
2005-09-07  1:59             ` Mark Lord
2005-09-07  3:46               ` Lee Revell
2005-09-07  4:16               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07  5:48                 ` Daniel Phillips
2005-09-07 16:43 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-08  0:44   ` Alex Davis
2005-09-02  0:39 Adrian Bunk
2005-09-02  5:33 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-09-02  6:29   ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:40     ` Neil Brown
2005-09-13  8:05       ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-10-01 22:50         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-10-02 20:35           ` Nathan Scott
2005-09-02  6:55 ` Vladimir V. Saveliev
2005-09-02 21:58 ` Hans Reiser
2005-09-04  3:48 ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04  7:36   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-09-04  8:23     ` Lee Revell
2005-09-04 19:39       ` Adrian Bunk
2005-09-04 12:12   ` Guillaume Chazarain
2005-09-04 13:26 ` Sander
2005-06-08 12:35 Ian Kumlien
2005-06-08 13:14 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-07 21:27 Adrian Bunk
2005-06-07 21:47 ` Alexander Nyberg
2005-06-08 10:03   ` Jörn Engel
2005-06-08 10:39   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 11:12     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-06-08 12:13       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-04 18:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-07-05  6:14           ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-05 13:46             ` Horst von Brand
2005-06-08  1:52 ` Ian Kent
2005-06-08 10:42   ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-08 14:28     ` raven
2005-06-08 12:00 ` Vladimir Saveliev
2005-06-10 15:18   ` Vladimir Saveliev

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