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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Sam Ravnborg <sam@ravnborg.org>
Cc: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 10:01:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43285762.7070300@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050914170107.GB9096@mars.ravnborg.org>

Sam Ravnborg wrote:
>  
> 
>>The kernel predates C99, sort of, and it would be a massive but valuable 
>> task to figure out where a type is really, for instance, 32 bits 
>>rather than "size of default int" in length, etc, and use POSIX types 
>>where they are correct. Fewer things to maintain, and would make it 
>>clear when something is 32 bits by default and when it really must be 32 
>>bits.
> 
> This has been discussed several times on lkml.
> Ask google...
> In short - the kernel provide its own namespace, and here __u32 etc is
> used. And starting to change that would be a noisy effort with no or
> limited gain neither for the kernel nor userspace.
> 

More specifically, replacing u32 with uint32_t as the kernel-internal 
type would be fine and arguably useful; in fact, a handful of drivers I 
believe already use it.

Replacing __u32 with uint32_t would be wrong, because it would require 
some user space headers that cannot include <stdint.h> to have to do so. 
  POSIX has *very* specific rules for namespace pollution, and most 
libcs have to care about that (klibc doesn't, but it's an exception, not 
the rule.)

	-hpa

  reply	other threads:[~2005-09-14 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-02  3:00 [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 13:41 ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-02 20:51   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:58     ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  0:07       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  0:30         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  0:34           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  0:50             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  4:28         ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  5:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  5:50             ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03  5:53               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  6:41                 ` Erik Andersen
2005-09-03 15:01                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03 15:19                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03 16:55                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-05 16:35                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-05 23:28                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-06  1:29                           ` [RFC][MEGAPATCH] Change __ASSEMBLY__ to __ASSEMBLER__ (defined by GCC from 2.95 to current CVS) Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10  8:40                             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10  8:45                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-10 17:38                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-10 22:04                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-11  0:33                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-11  0:48                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-11  3:15                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12  8:09                                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 15:19                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-12 15:47                                               ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 17:17                                                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-12 21:14                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-12 21:39                                                     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12 17:18                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-12 17:51                                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-12 21:04                                                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-09-14 13:56                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-15 21:53                                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2005-09-03  5:55           ` [RFC] Splitting out kernel<=>userspace ABI headers Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03  5:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-03  6:05               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03 15:36             ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-03 16:33               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-03 16:51                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-09-14 13:46         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-09-14 17:01           ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-09-14 17:01             ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2005-09-14 18:14           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-14 19:09             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-09-14 19:20               ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-14 19:46               ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 21:42 ` Jeff Dike
2005-09-02 21:55   ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-02 22:44     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:24       ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-09-02 23:41         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-02 23:53           ` H. Peter Anvin

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