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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <Linux-Kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] atomic: introduce atomic_inc_not_zero
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:08:35 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <432D2083.6030707@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0509170300030.3743@scrub.home>

Roman Zippel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
> 
>>Roman: any ideas about what you would prefer? You'll notice
>>atomic_inc_not_zero replaces rcuref_inc_lf, which is used several times
>>in the VFS.
> 
> 
> In the larger picture I'm not completely happy with these scalibilty 
> patches, as they add extra overhead at the lower end. On a UP system in 
> general nothing beats:
> 
> 	spin_lock();
> 	if (*ptr)
> 		ptr += 1;
> 	spin_unlock();
> 
> The main problem is here that the atomic functions are used in two basic 
> situation:
> 
> 1) interrupt synchronization
> 2) multiprocessor synchronization
> 
> The atomic functions have to assume both, but on UP systems it often is 
> a lot cheaper if they don't have to synchronize with interrupts. So 
> replacing a spinlock with a few atomic operations can hurt UP performance.
> 

Maybe so, but what I'm doing is introducing a slightly better
implementation of what is currently in tree, and attempting to
follow current standards as far as possible. I don't think you
could say that is a bad thing.

Now I don't think anyone would be flat out opposed to 1 - reworking
the atomic.h code to allow some genericity (is that a word?); 2 -
reworking atomic.h code to allow combining of atomic ops, or allowing
interrupt unsafe ops...

Of course, neither is going to be merged unless done tastefully, and
I imagine both would be difficult to get right, with probably a low
cost/benefit ratio.

Thanks,
Nick

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-18  8:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-14 14:48 [PATCH 1/5] atomic: introduce atomic_cmpxchg Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 14:49 ` [PATCH 2/5] atomic: introduce atomic_inc_not_zero Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 14:51   ` [PATCH 3/5] rcu file: use atomic primitives Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 14:55     ` [PATCH 4/5] atomic: dec_and_lock use cmpxchg Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 15:01       ` [PATCH 5/5] remove HAVE_ARCH_CMPXCHG Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 16:31         ` Roman Zippel
2005-09-14 16:49           ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 17:59             ` David S. Miller
2005-09-14 22:03             ` Russell King
2005-09-14 22:26               ` David S. Miller
2005-09-15  7:10                 ` Russell King
2005-09-15 13:08         ` Alan Cox
2005-09-14 15:20       ` [PATCH 4/5] atomic: dec_and_lock use cmpxchg Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 16:24       ` David S. Miller
2005-09-14 16:52         ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-17  0:05           ` David S. Miller
2005-09-14 16:16   ` [PATCH 2/5] atomic: introduce atomic_inc_not_zero Roman Zippel
2005-09-14 16:44     ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 17:04       ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-14 17:18       ` Roman Zippel
2005-09-14 22:00         ` Russell King
2005-09-14 22:10           ` Roman Zippel
2005-09-14 22:21             ` Russell King
2005-09-15  1:51               ` Nick Piggin
2005-09-17  1:15                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-09-17  6:36                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-09-17 10:01                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-09-17  7:19                   ` David S. Miller
2005-09-17  7:34                   ` Dipankar Sarma
2005-09-18  8:08                   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-09-17  0:59               ` Roman Zippel
2005-09-17  7:18                 ` David S. Miller
2005-09-17  7:27                   ` Russell King
2005-09-18  6:03                     ` David S. Miller
2005-09-14 15:17 ` [PATCH 1/5] atomic: introduce atomic_cmpxchg Russell King
2005-09-14 15:22   ` Nick Piggin

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