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From: Matan Peled <chaosite@gmail.com>
To: Michael Poole <mdpoole@troilus.org>
Cc: Emmanuel Fleury <fleury@cs.aau.dk>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: freebox possible GPL violation
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 17:48:38 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43453946.3000901@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zmpm227e.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org>

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Michael Poole wrote:
> In the US, the law (17 USC 106) is very clear that renting, lending,
> and leasing are "distribution" that is a protected right.  The Berne
> Convention says the same in article 11bis (remember that a later
> revision explicitly included computer programs in "literary works").
> Do you think this interpretation of "distribution" does not apply to
> Free?  If not, why not?

The argument seems to be that you're paying for the service, and not the box,
and that the box is owned by Free and therefore no distribution occurs here, as
the kernel moves from Free to Free.

The obvious example is web servers, where you aren't distributing anything (at
least not the server software) and still providing service.

The difference here is that the box is physically at the customer's house, which
could be considered "lending", but IANAL.

Anyway, I guess you'll have to ask a (preferably French) lawyer to find out.

BTW, the whole thing about the kernel being in ROM or RAM or whatever and how it
got there are moot - its still running Linux. And if lending is distribution,
then they need to offer the source code.

FYI: Needing to reboot to change firmware makes sense, and those 10 extra
seconds might involve upgrading the proprietary firmware... But thats irrelevant.

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-10-06 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-06 12:01 freebox possible GPL violation Pierre Michon
2005-10-06 13:06 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-06 13:40   ` Michael Poole
2005-10-06 14:48     ` Matan Peled [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-10-06 23:26 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 17:57 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 16:06 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 16:47 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-05 15:18 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 15:49 ` Vincent Hanquez
2005-10-05 15:12 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 15:08 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 11:13 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 11:22 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-05 11:27   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-10-05 11:37     ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-05 11:59       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-10-05 12:02         ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-05 12:07           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-10-05 12:29             ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-05 12:45               ` Michael Poole
2005-10-05 17:11               ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-10-06  0:07               ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-06  0:49                 ` David Lang
2005-10-06  1:12                   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-10-06  2:25                     ` David Lang
2005-10-06  9:20                   ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-06  9:51                     ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-06  9:53                       ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-06 11:39                       ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-06 13:05                         ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-06 13:42                           ` Michael Poole
2005-10-06 14:19                           ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-06 20:15                       ` Stefan Smietanowski
2005-10-11  2:27             ` David Schwartz
2005-10-11 10:48               ` Graham Murray
2005-10-05 12:15           ` Vincent Hanquez
2005-10-05 11:45     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-10-05 11:59       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-10-05 11:50 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-05 10:08 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05 10:18 ` Emmanuel Fleury
2005-10-05  8:47 Pierre Michon
2005-10-05  9:42 ` Helge Hafting
2005-10-15  9:40 ` Loic Dachary
2005-10-19 17:58   ` Pierre Michon
2005-10-20 15:29     ` Loic Dachary

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