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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2.6.14-rc2-mm2] core remove PageReserved
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 00:36:37 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <434BCDF5.2080707@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0510111454530.2950@goblin.wat.veritas.com>

Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Oct 2005, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
>>Alan Cox wrote:
>>
>>>32000 processes each with 2G mapped as zero pages appears to allow the
>>>refcount to overflow ?
>>
>>That's right (though I count only 8192 required with 4K page size) -
>>close to impossible on 32-bit architectures, though not so the 64-bit
>>ones, which still use 32-bits for count and mapcount.
> 
> 
> It needs 16GB of page table space to get the mapcount to go negative,
> or if we refine the atomic_add_negative test, 32GB of page table space
> to wrap (I'm assuming an 8-byte PAE page table entries for each unit
> of mapcount, since we're well beyond the 4GB non-PAE limit).
> 
> Do we actually need to worry about i386 above 32GB in the x86_64 era?
> 

Considering we already run on 64-bit systems with terabytes of
memory and people don't seem to be breaking down your door for
a fix (that I know of), I'd say no :)

> 
>>I was a bit worried about this too, but Hugh didn't think it was a
>>really big a deal - I guess because the real solution for the refcount
>>overflow on 64-bit is to expand the refcount type.
> 
> 
> Yes, and I'm imagining some scheme of sharing _count and _mapcount in
> a single atomic64, since we don't want to expand struct page for this.
> Implement that shortly, unless we find a way to eliminate _mapcount
> instead.
> 
> But Alan's overflow issue is not new, it's not brought on refcounting
> the ZERO_PAGE: sys_remap_file_pages already allows a file page to be
> mapped multiple times in single process, without the constriction of
> needing lots of vm_area_struct space.  ZERO_PAGE is just more obvious.
> 

Right. As a security issue it is nothing new, though probably it will
be eaiser for big 64-bit systems to _unintentionally_ wrap the ZERO_PAGE
refcount.

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  reply	other threads:[~2005-10-11 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-11  9:00 [PATCH 2.6.14-rc2-mm2] core remove PageReserved Nick Piggin
2005-10-11 13:04 ` Alan Cox
2005-10-11 13:39   ` Nick Piggin
2005-10-11 14:17     ` Hugh Dickins
2005-10-11 14:36       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-10-11 14:38         ` Nick Piggin

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