When is OSS going to go?

When is OSS going to go?

[John Richard Moser]

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The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
 2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS that
don't work right in ASLA?

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Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Jeff Garzik]

On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>  2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?

Already been discussed; check the archives.

	Jeff

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[John Richard Moser]

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Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for?  "OSS remove"
"OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.

Jeff Garzik wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
> 
>>The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>> 2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS that
>>don't work right in ASLA?
> 
> 
> Already been discussed; check the archives.
> 
> 	Jeff
> 
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Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Alejandro Bonilla]

On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
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> Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for?  "OSS remove"
> "OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.

Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
make Linux more flexible.

Anyway, I think the archives say something like, it doesn't have to go away,
so why remove it?

.Alejandro

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Lee Revell]

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 15:12 -0400, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
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> > Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for?  "OSS remove"
> > "OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
> 
> Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
> make Linux more flexible.

Having both available just leads to confusion and bloats the kernel.
Flexibility isn't the same as redundancy.

Lee

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[John Richard Moser]

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Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
> 
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>>Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for?  "OSS remove"
>>"OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
> 
> 
> Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
> make Linux more flexible.
> 

ever growing code base; I want it to go away for the same reason I'd
love a binary driver model in the kernel (in fact I'm looking at getting
fuse to supply the driver for my rootfs from initrd)

> Anyway, I think the archives say something like, it doesn't have to go away,
> so why remove it?
> 
> .Alejandro
> 

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Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Brian Gerst]

Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:48:37 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote
> 
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>>Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for?  "OSS remove"
>>"OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.
> 
> 
> Why would you want it to go away? People can decide from which one to use and
> make Linux more flexible.

Because the OSS drivers are not maintained anymore and are starting to 
suffer from bitrot.

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				Brian Gerst

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Kyle Moffett]

On Oct 18, 2005, at 14:48:37, John Richard Moser wrote:
> Got a lkml.org link or a subject line I should search for?  "OSS  
> remove"
> "OSS sound remove" "Open sound system" all return garbage.

http://www.zipworld.com.au/~akpm/linux/patches/stuff/top-posting.txt
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html

> Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 02:01:43PM -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
>>> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when  
>>> the heck?
>>> 2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS  
>>> that
>>> don't work right in ASLA?
>>
>> Already been discussed; check the archives.

I don't remember if it ever got patched, but linux/Documentation/ 
feature-removal-schedule.txt should contain a mention of it and  
pertinent quotes from the LKML thread.

Cheers,
Kyle Moffett

--
There is no way to make Linux robust with unreliable memory  
subsystems, sorry.  It would be like trying to make a human more  
robust with an unreliable O2 supply. Memory just has to work.
   -- Andi Kleen

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Bill Davidsen]

John Richard Moser wrote:
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> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>  2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?
> 
This has been discussed before, but the major argument is that if Linux 
starts dropping functional features there is no longer even a pretense 
of this kernel line being stable.

Drop it in 2.7.

-- 
    -bill davidsen (davidsen@tmr.com)
"The secret to procrastination is to put things off until the
  last possible moment - but no longer"  -me

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Nix]

On 18 Oct 2005, Bill Davidsen suggested tentatively:
> John Richard Moser wrote:
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>> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>>  2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS that
>> don't work right in ASLA?
>>
> This has been discussed before, but the major argument is that if
> Linux starts dropping functional features there is no longer even a
> pretense of this kernel line being stable.

The dropping of e.g. devfs has already knocked that idea on the head;
functional features are being removed as well as added.

(And as ALSA can emulate the useful parts of OSS, when all OSS cards are
supported by ALSA, there won't be any function loss anyway.)

-- 
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 I want. I am hoping for "Witnesses reported the sound up to two hundred
 kilometers away" or "Last body part finally located".' --- James Nicoll

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[James Courtier-Dutton]

John Richard Moser wrote:
> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>  2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?
> 

There are still a few cards, hardly any in fact, that work better in OSS 
so why bother removing it? Maybe we should add an extra config option in 
the kernel.
1) Show/Hide depreciated (add this one)
2) Show/Hide experimental (we already have this one)

Re: When is OSS going to go?

[Jules Colding]

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 14:01 -0400, John Richard Moser wrote:
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> The Open Sound System has been depricated. . . since. . . when the heck?
>  2.4?  Is it ever going to drop off?  Are there a few cards in OSS that
> don't work right in ASLA?

Yes:

https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1276

-- 
  jules