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From: Tim Bird <tim.bird@am.sony.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Roland Dreier <rolandd@cisco.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	zippel@linux-m68k.org, ak@suse.de, rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk,
	tony.luck@gmail.com, paolo.ciarrocchi@gmail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: New (now current development process)
Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:08:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <436BDBCF.6070008@am.sony.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0511012203370.27915@g5.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Roland Dreier wrote:
> 
>>Anyway, it would be great to find ways to make big improvements.  But
>>I think the most realistic way to shrink the kernel is the same way it
>>grows in the first place -- one small piece at a time.
> 
> 
> No, I think that's a lost cause.
> 
> It doesn't grow by 700 bytes once in a while. It grows by much more, and 
> much more often. And we can't fight it that way, that's just not going to 
> work. Maybe have something that tracks individual object file sizes and 
> shames people into not growing them..

As mentioned at the kernel summit, we're working on it
at the CE Linux Forum.  These things take time to set up,
but we have code already for something that tests
the size impact of individual kernel configs, and we're
working on a test to track individual function sizes for
each new kernel (using Andi Kleen's bloat-o-meter).

We're still in process of setting up the test lab,
but we have a number of hardware boards already,
and we're hoping to be publishing size regression data
for the kernel on a regular basis, starting in about
April of next year.
 -- Tim

=============================
Tim Bird
Architecture Group Chair, CE Linux Forum
Senior Staff Engineer, Sony Electronics
=============================


  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-04 22:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-29 17:26 New (now current development process) Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-10-29 18:57 ` Tony Luck
2005-10-29 19:51   ` Russell King
2005-10-29 20:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-29 20:44       ` Akula2
2005-10-29 23:28         ` Greg KH
2005-10-29 22:29       ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-29 22:37         ` Russell King
2005-10-30 19:12           ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 21:43             ` Russell King
2005-10-30 22:31               ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 22:45                 ` Russell King
2005-10-30 22:55                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-30 23:17                     ` Russell King
2005-10-31  0:48             ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31  0:16               ` Russell King
2005-10-31  1:22                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  2:41                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31  6:34                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-10-31  7:07                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31 23:58                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-11-01  0:05                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01  0:13                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-01  0:34                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-01  0:59                             ` Grant Coady
2005-11-01 14:08                             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-01 15:15                             ` Nix
2005-11-01 15:26                             ` Bill Davidsen
2005-11-02  5:01                             ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02  5:43                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02  5:56                                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02  6:05                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02  6:15                                     ` Roland Dreier
2005-11-02 15:54                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-02 17:48                                         ` Dave Jones
2005-11-02 18:12                                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-02 20:11                                           ` David Lang
2005-11-02 22:31                                             ` Sam Ravnborg
2005-11-03 18:54                                               ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-02 23:11                                     ` Rob Landley
2005-11-04 22:08                                     ` Tim Bird [this message]
2005-11-04 22:35                                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-04 23:33                                         ` Tim Bird
2005-11-02 15:41                             ` Andreas Kleen
2005-11-01  7:52                           ` Russell King
2005-11-01  9:09                           ` Rob Landley
2005-11-01 14:15                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-01  0:17                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-11-01  0:34                           ` Jesse Barnes
2005-10-31  1:10               ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  5:05               ` Rob Landley
2005-10-31  7:17                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  8:47                   ` Rogério Brito
2005-10-31  9:54                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-11-02  5:04                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-30 21:32         ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-10-31  0:45           ` Andi Kleen
2005-10-31  0:18             ` Al Viro
2005-10-31  3:14               ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-31  3:34                 ` Al Viro
2005-10-31  6:17                   ` Paul Jackson
2005-10-31  7:22                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-10-31  7:27                     ` Al Viro
2005-10-31  8:19                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-11-02  4:53                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-11-02  4:49               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-10-31  4:52             ` Rob Landley
2005-11-02 14:44               ` Andreas Kleen
2005-10-30  1:12       ` Tony Luck
2005-10-31  6:41       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-11-07  4:54         ` Eric Sandall
2005-11-07 16:12           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-11-07 17:11             ` Christopher Friesen
2005-11-07 17:22               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07 17:28                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-11-07 20:34                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-11-07 18:25               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-10-30  0:37 ` Jesper Juhl

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