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From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: "linux-os (Dick Johnson)" <linux-os@analogic.com>
Cc: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.6.14: CR4 not needed to be inspected on the 486 anymore?
Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 09:32:30 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <436F8FAE.90805@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0511071157590.27658@chaos.analogic.com>

linux-os (Dick Johnson) wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>On Mon, 7 Nov 2005, Zachary Amsden wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>While this is at least no worse in the nested fault case than earlier
>>>>kernels, I really wish I had one of those weird 486s so I could test the
>>>>faulting mechanism.  It seems the trap handling code has gotten quite
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>What's so weird about 486s?  Besides, for testing it doesn't have to be
>>>one -- you will get away with a 386, too.  I have neither anymore, but
>>>there are people around still using them.
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Because I hold in my hand "i486 Microprocessor Programmer's Reference
>>Manual, c 1990", and it has no mention whatsoever of CR4, and all
>>documentation I had until Friday had either no mention of CR4, or
>>something to the effect of "new on Pentium, the CR4 register ..."  So
>>I've had to re-adjust my definition of 486, which was weird.
>>
>>Zach
>>-
>>    
>>
>
>Yes, and undocumented opcodes might not fault. They might do nothing
>or something strange. It's not a good idea to use an undocumented
>opcode in kernel space. The read-from-CR4 in kernel space, hoping
>that an immoral-opcode trap will save you is not good practice.
>
>You might reset the processor.
>  
>

No, you won't.  #UD and #GP will not (I hesitate to say never, but other 
than a processor bug, I believe that is correct) reset the processor.  
And CR4 is not "undocumented", even on 486.

What is immoral about opcode trapping?

Zach

  reply	other threads:[~2005-11-07 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-03 16:12 2.6.14: CR4 not needed to be inspected on the 486 anymore? Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-11-03 16:34 ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-03 17:20   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-11-03 23:49     ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-05 17:40       ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-07  9:38         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-11-07 15:44           ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-07 16:37             ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-11-07 16:51               ` Zachary Amsden
2005-11-07 17:00                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-11-07 17:32                   ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2005-11-07 18:17                     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-11-07 19:02                       ` Ondrej Zary
2005-11-07 17:11                 ` Maciej W. Rozycki

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