From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750799AbWAEMtI (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:49:08 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751330AbWAEMtI (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:49:08 -0500 Received: from post.pl ([212.85.96.51]:49607 "HELO v00051.home.net.pl") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1750893AbWAEMtG (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jan 2006 07:49:06 -0500 Message-ID: <43BD1576.2050107@post.pl> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:47:50 +0100 From: "Leonard Milcin Jr." User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= CC: Jaroslav Kysela , Pete Zaitcev , Alistair John Strachan , Adrian Bunk , Olivier Galibert , Tomasz Torcz , Jan Engelhardt , Andi Kleen , alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, James@superbug.demon.co.uk, sailer@ife.ee.ethz.ch, linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, zab@zabbo.net, kyle@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@lists.parisc-linux.org, jgarzik@pobox.com, Thorsten Knabe , zwane@commfireservices.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [OT] ALSA userspace API complexity References: <20050726150837.GT3160@stusta.de> <20060103193736.GG3831@stusta.de> <20060104030034.6b780485.zaitcev@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Tomasz Kłoczko wrote in his signature: > ----------------------------------------------------------- > *Ludzie nie mają problemów, tylko sobie sami je stwarzają* > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Allow me translate sentence from my signature to english > "People do not have problems they create them themselves" > and ALSA case matches in 100%. Look, kloczek, how less problems we cold have by banishing all the technology and going back to stone age? The complexity is sometimes unavoidable if one tries to please as many as possible. But why not userspace library that simplifies access to ALSA for those who don't need all the ,,complexity''? That pleases both -- those who need feauters, and those who only need to pass something to speakers. Maybe there are cards that work with OSS and not with ALSA, and that may be the reason to keep it just for some time. But in the long run I don't think there is a need to have two sound systems in kernel just because one is complicated and other lacks some features. Leonard