From: Robert Hancock <hancockr@shaw.ca>
To: Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
Christopher Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: pthread_mutex_unlock (was Re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow)
Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:16:33 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <43D814E1.7030600@shaw.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43D7F863.3080207@symas.com>
Howard Chu wrote:
> Kaz's post clearly interprets the POSIX spec differently from you. The
> policy can decide *which of the waiting threads* gets the mutex, but the
> releasing thread is totally out of the picture. For good or bad, the
> current pthread_mutex_unlock() is not POSIX-compliant. Now then, if
> we're forced to live with that, for efficiency's sake, that's OK,
> assuming that valid workarounds exist, such as inserting a sched_yield()
> after the unlock.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.programming.threads/msg/16c01eac398a1139?hl=en&
Did you read the rest of this post?
"In any event, all the mutex fairness in the world won't solve the
problem. Consider if this lock/unlock cycle is inside a larger
lock/unlock cycle. Yielding at the unlock or blocking at the lock will
increase the dreadlock over the larger mutex.
The fact is, the threads library can't read the programmer's mind. So
it shouldn't try to, especially if that makes the common cases much
worse for the benefit of excruciatingly rare cases."
And earlier in that thread ("old behavior" referring to an old
LinuxThreads version which allowed "unfair" locking):
"Notice however that even the old "unfair" behavior is perfectly
acceptable with respect to the POSIX standard: for the default
scheduling policy, POSIX makes no guarantees of fairness, such as "the
thread waiting for the mutex for the longest time always acquires it
first". Properly written multithreaded code avoids that kind of heavy
contention on mutexes, and does not run into fairness problems. If you
need scheduling guarantees, you should consider using the real-time
scheduling policies SCHED_RR and SCHED_FIFO, which have precisely
defined scheduling behaviors. "
If you indeed have some thread which is trying to do an essentially
infinite amount of work, you really should not have that thread locking
a mutex, which other threads need to acquire, for a large part of each
cycle. Correctness aside, this is simply not efficient.
--
Robert Hancock Saskatoon, SK, Canada
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-01-26 0:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-01-24 22:59 e100 oops on resume Stefan Seyfried
2006-01-24 23:21 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-01-25 9:02 ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 12:11 ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 13:51 ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Howard Chu
2006-01-25 14:38 ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-25 17:49 ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-25 18:26 ` pthread_mutex_unlock (was Re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow) Howard Chu
2006-01-25 18:59 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-25 19:32 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 8:51 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 14:15 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-26 14:43 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 19:57 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26 20:27 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 20:46 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 21:32 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 21:41 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 21:56 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 22:24 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-27 8:08 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-27 19:25 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2006-02-01 12:31 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-27 4:27 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-26 21:58 ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-27 4:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-01-27 2:16 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 8:19 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-27 19:50 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 20:13 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-27 21:05 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-27 21:23 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-27 23:31 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-30 8:28 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26 10:38 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-30 8:35 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-30 11:13 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-31 23:18 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-25 21:06 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 22:14 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 0:16 ` Robert Hancock [this message]
2006-01-26 0:49 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 1:04 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 1:31 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 2:05 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26 2:48 ` Mark Lord
2006-01-26 3:30 ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26 3:49 ` Samuel Masham
2006-01-26 4:02 ` Samuel Masham
2006-01-26 4:53 ` Lee Revell
2006-01-26 6:14 ` Samuel Masham
2006-01-26 8:54 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 14:24 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 14:54 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 15:23 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 15:51 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 16:44 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-26 17:34 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-26 19:00 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 19:14 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-26 21:12 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 21:31 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-27 7:06 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-30 8:44 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-30 8:50 ` Howard Chu
2006-01-30 15:33 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-30 13:28 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-01-30 15:15 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26 10:44 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-26 0:08 ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-26 1:07 ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow David Schwartz
2006-01-26 8:30 ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26 9:01 ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 10:50 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-01-25 19:37 ` e100 oops on resume Jesse Brandeburg
2006-01-25 20:14 ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 22:28 ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-01-26 0:28 ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-01-26 9:32 ` Pavel Machek
2006-01-26 19:02 ` Stefan Seyfried
2006-01-26 19:09 ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-28 11:53 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-01-28 19:53 ` Jesse Brandeburg
2006-02-07 6:57 ` Jeff Garzik
[not found] ` <BAY108-DAV111F6EF46F6682FEECCC1593140@phx.gbl>
[not found] ` <4807377b0601271404w6dbfcff6s4de1c3f785dded9f@mail.gmail.com>
2006-01-30 17:25 ` Can I do a regular read to simulate prefetch instruction? John Smith
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2006-01-30 22:01 pthread_mutex_unlock (was Re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow) linux
2006-01-30 23:37 linux
2006-02-01 17:06 Lee Schermerhorn
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