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From: Shailabh Nagar <nagar@watson.ibm.com>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: lse-tech <lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Patch 5/7]  synchronous block I/O delays
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:09:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44037897.4050709@watson.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p73fym428cf.fsf@verdi.suse.de>

Andi Kleen wrote:

>Shailabh Nagar <nagar@watson.ibm.com> writes:
>
>  
>
>>delayacct-blkio.patch
>>
>>Record time spent by a task waiting for completion of 
>>userspace initiated synchronous block I/O. This can help
>>determine the right I/O priority for the task.
>>    
>>
>
>I think it's a good idea to have such a statistic by default.
>  
>
Besides the paths we're counting and the one's Arjan listed below, are 
there others
you had in mind ?

>Can you add a counter that is summed up in task_struct and reports
>in /proc/*/stat so that it could be displayed by top? 
>
>This way it would be useful even with "normal" user space.
>
>-Andi
>

Arjan van de Ven wrote:

>this misses O_SYNC, msync(), and general throttling.
>I get the feeling this is being measured at the wrong level
>currently.... since the number of entry points that needs measuring at
>the current level is hardly finite...
>  
>

Our intent was to get an idea of user-initiated sync block I/O because
there is some expectation from user space that a higher I/O priority will
result in lower delays for such I/O. General throttling writes wouldn't 
fit in
this category though msync and O_SYNC would.

Are there a lot of other paths you see ? I'll root around more but if you
could just list a few more, it'll help.

As for the level at which the counting is being done, the reason for
choosing this one was to avoid counting time spent waiting for async I/O
completion and also to keep the accounting simple (diff of two 
timestamps without
modifying block I/O structures).

To our usage model, async I/O is also not as useful to be counted since 
userspace has already
taken steps to tolerate the latency and can do useful work (and not be 
"delayed").
However, I would  have liked to capture the time spent within 
sys_io_getevents
when a timeout is specified, since there the user is again going to be 
delayed,
but the mingling of block and network I/O events makes that more complex.


Going further down the I/O processing stack than the current level would
probably require more elaborate mechanisms to keep track of the submitter ?
Or is there a better merging point for sync I/O that I'm missing ?

Your comments would be welcome to improve this code...

--Shailabh
P.S. Sorry if  merging the two responses violates any netiquette :-)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-02-27 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-27  7:56 [Patch 0/7] Per-task delay accounting Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:02 ` [Patch 1/7] timespec diff utility Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:12   ` [Patch 2/7] Add sysctl for schedstats Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:52     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-02-27 10:46       ` [Lse-tech] " Balbir Singh
2006-02-27 12:18         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27 12:29           ` Balbir Singh
2006-02-27 13:06             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27 16:16               ` Balbir Singh
2006-02-27  9:17     ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-27  9:41       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27 12:28         ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-27 19:09       ` [Lse-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-02-28  0:25         ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-28  1:42           ` chandra seetharaman
2006-03-07 17:26       ` schedstats refinement (was Re: [Lse-tech] Re: [Patch 2/7] Add sysctl for schedstats) Balbir Singh
2006-02-27 17:05     ` [Lse-tech] [Patch 2/7] Add sysctl for schedstats Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-02-27 20:55       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27 22:26         ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-02-27  8:22   ` [Patch 1/7] timespec diff utility Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27  8:34     ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:37       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27  8:15 ` [Patch 3/7] delay accounting initial setup Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:18 ` [Patch 4/7] Add sysctl for delay accounting Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:26   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27  8:38     ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:42       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27  8:59         ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27 11:18           ` [Lse-tech] " Balbir Singh
2006-02-27  9:04         ` Dipankar Sarma
2006-02-27  9:13           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27 10:11             ` [Lse-tech] " Balbir Singh
2006-02-27 11:24               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27 12:00                 ` Balbir Singh
2006-02-27 12:23                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-02-27  8:20 ` [Patch 5/7] synchronous block I/O delays Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:29   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27  9:13     ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  9:18       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27  9:24       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27 14:18   ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-27 21:31     ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27 22:09     ` Shailabh Nagar [this message]
2006-02-27 22:20       ` Andi Kleen
2006-02-28  8:10       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27  8:22 ` [Patch 6/7] Swapin page fault delays Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:30   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-02-27 22:16     ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-02-27  8:31 ` [Patch 7/7] Generic netlink interface (delay accounting) Shailabh Nagar
     [not found]   ` <1141045194.5363.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]     ` <4403608E.1050304@watson.ibm.com>
     [not found]       ` <1141652556.5185.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2006-03-06 17:00         ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-03-07 14:38           ` [Lse-tech] " jamal
2006-03-08 21:56             ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-03-09 14:37               ` [UPDATED PATCH] " Balbir Singh
2006-03-09 16:06                 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-03-10 14:53                 ` jamal
2006-03-10 15:35                   ` jamal
2006-03-10 16:39                   ` Balbir Singh
2006-03-11 13:30                     ` jamal
2006-03-13 16:21                       ` Balbir Singh
2006-02-27  9:10 ` [Patch 0/7] Per-task delay accounting Nick Piggin

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