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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Karl MacMillan <kmacmill@redhat.com>,
	jmorris@namei.org, chrisw@sous-sol.org, selinux@tycho.nsa.gov,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aviro@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Security issues with local filesystem caching
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:34:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4417.1162395294@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1162387735.32614.184.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>

Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> >      (c) A security label that defines the context under which the module
> >          operates when accessing the cache.  This allows the module, when
> >          accessing the cache, to only operate within the bounds of the
> >          cache.
> 
> Well, only if the module is well-behaved in the first place, since a
> kernel module can naturally bypass SELinux at will.  What drives this
> approach vs. exempting the module from SELinux checking via a task flag
> that it raises and lowers around the access (vs. setting and resetting
> the sid around the access to the per-cache module context)?

Christoph objected very strongly to my bypassing of vfs_mkdir() and co, and Al
wasn't to happy about it either.  This should allow me, for example, to call
vfs_mkdir() rather than calling the inode op directly as the reason I wasn't
was that I was having to avoid the security checks it made.

Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> >  (*) The module will obtain label (c) by reading label (b) from the
> >      cachefilesd process when it opens the cachefiles control chardev and
> >      then passing it through security_change_sid() to ask the security
> >      policy to for label (c).
> 
> Do you mean security_transition_sid()?  security_change_sid() doesn't
> seem suited to that purpose

That's what Karl said to use.

> What would you use as the target SID and class?

I've no idea.  I tried to find out how to use this function from Karl, but he
said I should ask on the list.

> >      (3) current->security->sid will be set to label (c) so that
> >          vfs_mkdir(), vfs_create() and lookup ops will check for the
> >          correct labels.
> 
> I think you would want this to be a new ->fssid field instead, and
> adjust SELinux to use it if set for permission checking (which could
> also be leveraged by NFS later).

I could do that.  Does it actually gain anything?  Or are there good reasons
for not altering current->security->sid?  For instance, does that affect the
label seen on /proc/pid/ files?

> Or just use a task flag to disable checking on the module internal accesses.

I could do that too.

> >      Point (3) shouldn't cause a cross-thread race as it would appear that
> >      the security label can only be changed on single-threaded processes.
> >      Attempts to do so on multi-threaded processes are rejected.
> 
> I don't quite follow this.

Sorry, I meant that a process can only change its own security label if it's a
single-threaded process.  A kernel module can, of course, change the security
label at any time.

> But mutating ->sid could yield unfortunate behavior if e.g. another process
> happens to be sending that task a signal at the same time, so if you go this
> route, you want a ->fssid.

Okay... that seems like a good reason to do use the ->fssid approach.  How do I
tell if ->fssid is set?  Is zero usable as 'unset'?  Alternatively, would it be
reasonable to have ->fssid track ->sid when the latter changes?

David

  reply	other threads:[~2006-11-01 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-25 10:14 Security issues with local filesystem caching David Howells
2006-10-25 16:52 ` Nate Diller
2006-10-25 16:48   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-10-25 17:21     ` David Howells
2006-10-25 17:42       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-10-25 18:15         ` David Howells
2006-10-25 20:21 ` Josef Sipek
2006-10-25 20:28   ` Josef Sipek
2006-10-26  9:56   ` David Howells
2006-10-27 15:54     ` Josef Sipek
2006-10-25 21:12 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 10:40   ` David Howells
2006-10-26 12:51     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 16:04       ` David Howells
2006-10-26 16:34         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 17:09           ` David Howells
2006-10-26 17:45             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-26 22:53               ` David Howells
2006-10-27 14:48                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 15:42                   ` David Howells
2006-10-27 16:10                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 16:25                       ` David Howells
2006-10-27 17:09                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-10-27 17:34                           ` David Howells
2006-10-27 14:41               ` David Howells
2006-10-25 23:37 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-26  0:32   ` Al Viro
2006-10-26 10:45     ` David Howells
2006-10-26 10:54     ` Alan Cox
2006-10-26  9:14 ` Jan Dittmer
2006-10-26 10:55   ` David Howells
2006-10-26 11:52   ` Alan Cox
2006-10-31 21:26 ` David Howells
2006-11-01 13:28   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-01 15:34     ` David Howells [this message]
2006-11-01 15:58       ` Karl MacMillan
2006-11-01 17:45         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 16:29           ` Karl MacMillan
2006-11-02 18:04             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-01 17:30       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 17:16         ` David Howells
2006-11-02 19:49           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-02 20:38             ` David Howells
2006-11-02 21:24               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-03 10:27                 ` David Howells
2006-11-03 13:41                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-03 15:23                     ` David Howells
2006-11-03 17:30                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-14 19:22                         ` David Howells
2006-11-15 14:05                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-15 15:28                             ` David Howells
2006-11-15 16:41                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-11-15 18:17                                 ` David Howells
2006-11-03 15:33                     ` David Howells
2006-11-02 20:33           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-11-02 21:05             ` David Howells

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