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From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: VMI Interface Proposal Documentation for I386, Part 4
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:29:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4419845E.8060904@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1142522308.13318.29.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan Cox wrote:
> On Iau, 2006-03-16 at 00:37 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
>   
>> This code used to work when ran as root:
>>     
>
> Unless it page faulted, or was on SMP, or ....
>   

Actually, quite interestingly, I believe you can take page faults in 
this scenario - you might end up getting rescheduled and lose the effect 
disabling interrupts, but I think the kernel lives on just fine - as 
long as it doesn't BUG_ON about this.  On SMP, clearly you can't 
disabled IRQs on all processors with it.  But I really think the point 
is to try to eliminate IRQs on a single processor during some critical 
timing sensitive region.  One thing you definitely can't do safely is 
make sysenter based syscalls off the vsyscall page - you will notice 
that you always come back with interrupts enabled.

I just really don't think that is a good idea to do in userspace, when 
writing a kernel module to accomplish this safely is actually really 
quite easy.  I would argue that the various CMOS timer update utilities 
in userspace that do this same thing, really should be moved into the 
kernel as fast as possible - they could race against other CPUs in 
kernel mode that are doing the same thing, and there is no locking 
discipline here whatsoever.

>   
>> I'm not sure how will X like this.
>>     
>
> X has not used this ability for many years.
>   

Good to know.  I thought some piece of xinit still used it to do 
dot-clock probing - but I could be wrong.  We really don't care about 
getting accurate information here, since the dot-clocks don't actually 
exist in a VM.  We simulate virtual SVGA hardware instead of passing 
through any installed card.

Zach

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-16 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-13 19:55 VMI Interface Proposal Documentation for I386, Part 4 Zachary Amsden
2006-03-15 23:37 ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-16  7:00   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-16 15:18   ` Alan Cox
2006-03-16 15:29     ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2006-03-16 18:40       ` Alan Cox

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