From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
Xen-devel <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Christopher Li <chrisl@vmware.com>,
Wim Coekaerts <wim.coekaerts@oracle.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Anne Holler <anne@vmware.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@novell.com>,
Jyothy Reddy <jreddy@vmware.com>, Kip Macy <kmacy@fsmware.com>,
Ky Srinivasan <ksrinivasan@novell.com>,
Leendert van Doorn <leendert@watson.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] Re: [RFC, PATCH 5/24] i386 Vmi code patching
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2006 16:46:17 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4421EFD9.8060402@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4421EC44.7010500@us.ibm.com>
Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Chris Wright wrote:
>> * Andi Kleen (ak@suse.de) wrote:
>>
>>> The disassembly stuff indeed doesn't look like something
>>> that belongs in the kernel.
>>>
>>
>> Strongly agreed. The strict ABI requirements put forth here are not
>> in-line with Linux, IMO. I think source compatibility is the limit of
>> reasonable, and any ROM code be in-tree if something like this were to
>> be viable upstream.
>>
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Would you have less trouble if the "ROM" were actually more like a
> module? Specifically, if it had a proper elf header and symbol table,
> used symbols as entry points, and was a GPL interface (so that ROM's
> had to be GPL)? Then it's just a kernel module that's hidden in the
> option ROM space and has a C interface.
>
> I know you end up losing the ability to do crazy inlining of the ROM
> code but I think it becomes a much less hairy interface that way.
Actually, I think you still can get the ability to do crazy inlining of
the ROM code. You have three exports from the ELF module:
vmi_init - enter paravirtual mode
vmi_annotate - apply inline transformations based on inlining
vmi_exit - exit paravirtual mode (required for module unloading).
But you can't require the ROM to be GPL'd. It has to be multi-licensed
for compatibility with other open source or, even proprietary operating
systems. If the ROM is licensed for use only under the GPL, then by
including it in your kernel and allowing it to patch your kernel code,
you leave your non-GPL kernel in a questionable license state. If the
ROM is licensed under an open license, with a clause allowing its
inclusion into GPL'd software, then I don't think you have a problem.
Course I could be wrong. This is sort of a unique situation, and
finding an identical comparison is tricky.
Zach
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-03-23 0:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-03-13 18:02 [RFC, PATCH 5/24] i386 Vmi code patching Zachary Amsden
2006-03-15 10:02 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-15 16:01 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-15 22:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2006-03-15 23:00 ` Pavel Machek
2006-03-17 0:51 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-17 10:08 ` Joshua LeVasseur
2006-03-17 21:11 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-18 0:49 ` Joshua LeVasseur
2006-03-16 19:10 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-16 19:45 ` Rik van Riel
2006-03-16 21:54 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 20:15 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-22 21:40 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 22:16 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-22 22:33 ` Daniel Arai
2006-03-22 23:02 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 22:51 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-22 23:36 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-23 0:41 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23 0:54 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-23 1:06 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23 4:04 ` Zachary Amsden
2006-03-23 11:42 ` Joshua LeVasseur
2006-03-23 0:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2006-03-23 0:40 ` Chris Wright
2006-03-23 9:25 ` Keir Fraser
2006-03-23 18:50 ` [Xen-devel] " Zachary Amsden
2006-03-23 23:45 ` Eli Collins
2006-03-23 0:46 ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2006-03-23 0:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2006-03-23 1:01 ` Zachary Amsden
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