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From: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Linux Kernel ML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps
Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 18:19:21 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <442A26E9.20608@vilain.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1psk5kcpj.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

Eric W. Biederman wrote:

>That plus using the security module infrastructure you can
>implement the semantics pretty in a straight forward manner.
>  
>

Yes, this is the essence of it all. Globals are bad, mmm'kay?

This raises a very interesting question. All those LSM globals,
shouldn't those be virtualisable, too? After all, isn't it natural to
want to apply a different security policy to different sets of processes?

I don't think anyone's done any work on this yet...

Man, fork() is going to get really expensive if we don't put in the
"process family" abstraction... but like you say, it comes later,
getting the semantics right comes first.

>The only really intrusive part is that because we tickle the
>code differently we see a different set of problems.  Such
>as the mess that is the proc and sysctl code, and the lack of
>good resource limits.
>
>But none of that is inherent to the problem it is just when
>you use the kernel harder and have more untrusted users you
>see a different set of problems.
>  
>

Indeed. Lots of old turds to clean up...

Sam.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-29  6:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-24 17:19 [RFC] Virtualization steps Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 17:33 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-24 19:25   ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-24 19:53     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  4:28     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28  5:31       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28  6:45       ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:59         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-28 22:24           ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 23:28             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  9:13               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 11:08                 ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 13:45                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 14:47                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 17:29                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-29 21:37                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-12  8:28                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13  1:05                         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13  6:52                           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-13 13:42                             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 21:33                               ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-13 22:45                                 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-14  7:41                                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-14  9:56                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:29                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-13 22:51                                 ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-14 10:08                                   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-04-15 19:31                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  8:52       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28  9:00         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 14:26           ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 14:44             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29  6:05               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29  6:19                 ` Sam Vilain [this message]
2006-03-29 18:20                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 22:36                     ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 22:52                       ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:01                         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:13                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-29 23:18                             ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 23:28                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:02                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  1:36                           ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  1:41                             ` David Lang
2006-03-30  2:04                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 14:32                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 15:30                                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-30 16:43                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:00                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 13:40                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 16:07                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-30 16:15                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 18:55                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30 18:44                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:07                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  5:36                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31  5:51                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:52                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 18:53                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-03-30  2:48                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 19:23                               ` Chris Wright
2006-03-31  6:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-31 14:52                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-03-31 16:39                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 13:29                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30 13:37                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30 14:55                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-30  2:24                           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30  3:01                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-30  3:26                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-30 10:30                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-11 10:32                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 11:14                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-11 14:44                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:00       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 14:41         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 15:03           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:48             ` Jeff Dike
2006-03-28 23:07           ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:56             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 20:29     ` [Devel] " Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 20:50       ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-03-28 21:38         ` Jun OKAJIMA
2006-03-28 21:51           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:18             ` Sam Vilain
2006-04-03 16:47         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-11 10:38           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-11 16:20             ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-04-11 18:12               ` Kir Kolyshkin
2006-04-12  5:12             ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  6:55               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12  6:53                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12  7:51                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-04-12 17:03                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-12 17:20                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-04-13 16:54               ` Alexey Kuznetsov
2006-04-30 13:22             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-30 21:34               ` Sam Vilain
2006-05-01 12:27               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-05-03 20:32                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28  9:02   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28  9:15     ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 15:35       ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:53         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 16:31         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 21:37         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-03-28 16:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 23:04       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29  1:39       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-29 13:47         ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-28 15:48     ` [Devel] " Matt Ayres
2006-03-28 16:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28 17:04         ` Matt Ayres
2006-03-29  0:55       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-24 18:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-24 21:19 ` Herbert Poetzl
2006-03-27 18:45   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-28  8:51     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 12:53       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-03-28 22:51       ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-29 20:30       ` Dave Hansen
2006-03-29 20:47         ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-03-29 22:44         ` Sam Vilain
2006-03-30 13:51         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-03-28 21:58   ` Eric W. Biederman

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