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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@bull.net>
Cc: "Chen, Kenneth W" <kenneth.w.chen@intel.com>,
	"'Christoph Lameter'" <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@free.fr>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Fix unlock_buffer() to work the same way as bit_unlock()
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 12:56:57 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <442B3AE9.7090102@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <442A7AA6.7080206@bull.net>

Zoltan Menyhart wrote:

>
> 4. Bit-lock operations:
>
> I summarized the ordering requirements here:
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-ia64&m=114362989421046&w=2
>
> In order to let the architectures implement these bit-lock
> operations efficiently, the usage has to indicate the _minimal_
> required ordering semantics, e.g.:
>
>     test_and_set_bit_N_acquire()
> or   ordered_test_and_set_bit(acquire, ...)
>     release_N_clear_bit()
> etc.
>

The problem is simply that we don't expose acquire or release
ordering operations to AI kernel code (outside of locking, which
is a great wrapper). The reason is to avoid proliferation of all
these semantics.

If you do this then the powerpc guys will say they want all
their weird crap in there too. If you remove seperate read
and write barriers, then x86 and sparc64 folks will get upset
etc etc.

Changing semantics would probably require some fairly hefty
discussions. Can you first fix ia64, then (perhaps) introduce
lock semantics for the couple of bitops that can use it, then
can we see some performance justification for proposed
changes to the API?

--

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-30  3:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-28  3:59 Fix unlock_buffer() to work the same way as bit_unlock() Christoph Lameter
2006-03-28  8:10 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-28 18:53   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-28 21:42     ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-03-28 23:48       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-29  0:07         ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29  2:23           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-29  2:35             ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29  6:46               ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-29  7:11                 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-30  1:34                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-29  0:12         ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-29  0:27         ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-29  0:47           ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-29  1:39             ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-29 12:16               ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-03-30  1:56                 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-03-29 10:57         ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-03-29  6:50   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-30  1:36     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found] ` <442AA13B.3050104@bull.net>
2006-03-30  1:57   ` Nick Piggin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-03-29 18:33 Boehm, Hans
2006-03-29 19:11 ` Grant Grundler
2006-03-29 19:31 Boehm, Hans
2006-03-29 22:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-29 22:56 Boehm, Hans
2006-03-29 23:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-29 23:49   ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-03-29 23:50     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-29 23:50     ` Grant Grundler
2006-03-30  8:43   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-03-30  8:55     ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-30 19:11       ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-30 17:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-30 17:57 Boehm, Hans
2006-03-30 18:17 ` Christoph Lameter
2006-03-30 22:26 Boehm, Hans

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