From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751387AbWDKOPv (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:15:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751363AbWDKOPv (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:15:51 -0400 Received: from smtp106.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([209.191.85.216]:33186 "HELO smtp106.mail.mud.yahoo.com") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1751387AbWDKOPp (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:15:45 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=yiCY71vb7pMCdH7IFC9CO7qoc9R4jUyyTaPRBlod5/feTGRuCuM4Zxb5/1GLyY//YvMl6emEcJsnlmWOTkF7BAtKlyPQ2Yx2nZ6yb9rfRvGpjDqBiOGqP9kW/odt40y+AgRIpz6a3jtNJXBZ6qVgFOxYDC7CPGpH5Jcuyhrtkso= ; Message-ID: <443B8F89.8070608@yahoo.com.au> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:14:17 +1000 From: Nick Piggin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051007 Debian/1.7.12-1 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kirill Korotaev CC: "Eric W. Biederman" , Herbert Poetzl , Bill Davidsen , Linux Kernel ML Subject: Re: [RFC] Virtualization steps References: <44242A3F.1010307@sw.ru> <44242D4D.40702@yahoo.com.au> <1143228339.19152.91.camel@localhost.localdomain> <4428BB5C.3060803@tmr.com> <20060328085206.GA14089@MAIL.13thfloor.at> <4428FB29.8020402@yahoo.com.au> <20060328142639.GE14576@MAIL.13thfloor.at> <44294BE4.2030409@yahoo.com.au> <442B4FD6.1050600@yahoo.com.au> <443B85B4.7030009@sw.ru> In-Reply-To: <443B85B4.7030009@sw.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Kirill Korotaev wrote: >> Yes... about that; if/when namespaces get into the kernel, you guys >> are going to start pushing all sorts of per-container resource >> control, right? Or will you be happy to leave most of that to VMs? > > > Nick, OpenVZ, for example, uses "User Bean Counters" patch originally > developed by Alan Cox. The good thing is that it is fully separate from > virtualization and allows to control any users or set of processes. > Don't you think it is valuable and helpful feature itself? Why are you > afraid of resource management? I'm afraid of resource management because I've seen things like the ckrm cpu resource manager. Considering we tend to mostly have only per-process resource management, low level virtualisation seems like a much better place to do this. -- SUSE Labs, Novell Inc. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com