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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Martin Mares <mj@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	bjornw@axis.com, schwidefsky@de.ibm.com,
	benedict.gaster@superh.com, lethal@linux-sh.org,
	Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>,
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	Joe Taylor <joe@tensilica.com>,
	David Mosberger-Tang <davidm@hpl.hp.com>,
	rth@twiddle.net, spyro@f2s.com, starvik@axis.com,
	tony.luck@intel.com, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
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	grundler@parisc-linux.org, parisc-linux@parisc-linux.org,
	linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, paulus@samba.org, linux390@de.ibm.com,
	davem@davemloft.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/05] robust per_cpu allocation for modules
Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:47:09 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4441B02D.4000405@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0604151609340.11302@gandalf.stny.rr.com>

Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006, Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
> 
>>Steven Rostedt wrote:
>>
>>
>>> would now create a variable called per_cpu_offset__myint in
>>>the .data.percpu_offset section.  This variable will point to the (if
>>>defined in the kernel) __per_cpu_offset[] array.  If this was a module
>>>variable, it would point to the module per_cpu_offset[] array which is
>>>created when the modules is loaded.
>>
>>If I'm following you correctly, this adds another dependent load
>>to a per-CPU data access, and from memory that isn't node-affine.
>>
>>If so, I think people with SMP and NUMA kernels would care more
>>about performance and scalability than the few k of memory this
>>saves.
> 
> 
> It's not just about saving memory, but also to make it more robust. But
> that's another story.

But making it slower isn't going to be popular.

Why is your module using so much per-cpu memory, anyway?

> 
> Since both the offset array, and the variables are mainly read only (only
> written on boot up), added the fact that the added variables are in their
> own section.  Couldn't something be done to help pre load this in a local
> cache, or something similar?

It it would still add to the dependent loads on the critical path, so
it now prevents the compiler/programmer/oooe engine from speculatively
loading the __per_cpu_offset.

And it does increase cache footprint of per-cpu accesses, which are
supposed to be really light and substitute for [NR_CPUS] arrays.

I don't think it would have been hard for the original author to make
it robust... just not both fast and robust. PERCPU_ENOUGH_ROOM seems
like an ugly hack at first glance, but I'm fairly sure it was a result
of design choices.

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-16  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-14 21:18 [PATCH 00/05] robust per_cpu allocation for modules Steven Rostedt
2006-04-14 22:06 ` Andrew Morton
2006-04-14 22:12   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-14 22:12 ` Chen, Kenneth W
2006-04-14 22:19   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-15  3:10 ` [PATCH 00/08] robust per_cpu allocation for modules - V2 Steven Rostedt
2006-04-15  5:32 ` [PATCH 00/05] robust per_cpu allocation for modules Nick Piggin
2006-04-15 20:17   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-16  2:47     ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-04-16  3:53       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-16  7:02         ` Paul Mackerras
2006-04-16 13:40           ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-16 14:03             ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-04-16 15:34             ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-04-16 18:03               ` Tony Luck
2006-04-17  0:45               ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-17  2:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-04-17  2:17                   ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-17 20:06               ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-04-17  6:47             ` Rusty Russell
2006-04-17 11:33               ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-16  7:06         ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-16 16:06           ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-17 17:10           ` Andi Kleen
2006-04-17 16:55   ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-17 22:02     ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-04-17 23:44       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-17 23:48         ` Christoph Lameter
2006-04-18  1:51           ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-18  6:42         ` Nick Piggin
2006-04-18 12:47           ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-16  6:35 ` Paul Mackerras

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