From: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
To: Michael Poole <mdpoole@troilus.org>
Cc: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dtor_core@ameritech.net,
Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Compiling C++ modules
Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:13:49 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <444E74ED.6090306@argo.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87hd4hh4hw.fsf@graviton.dyn.troilus.org>
Michael Poole wrote:
>> How many of these leave something out? how much time is spent
>> deciphering the code when something goes wrong, or is even suspected?
>>
>
> Probably fewer cases and less time than you suspect, respectively.
> Just as C++ gives you tools, C does too, but far more important than
> language tools is the discipline used when writing code: discipline to
> think through the code, to structure it rationally, and to reuse the
> rational structures that others have devised in the past. C++ gives
> you well-tested helper classes to manage object locking. Linux gives
> you its own well-tested examples of known and tried design patterns.
>
I agree. It certainly helps when you first write the code. But it's
still difficult to read and modify the code. And I'd prefer to see the
effort involved in coding to these patterns and in enforcing them used
to other purposes.
I also suspect drivers are written with less rigor.
--
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-04-25 19:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-04-24 19:16 Compiling C++ modules Gary Poppitz
2006-04-24 19:27 ` Greg KH
2006-04-24 20:02 ` C++ pushback Gary Poppitz
2006-04-24 20:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-24 20:16 ` Greg KH
2006-04-24 20:18 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-24 21:36 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-04-24 21:28 ` J.A. Magallon
2006-04-24 21:43 ` Harald Arnesen
2006-04-24 21:52 ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 22:16 ` J.A. Magallon
2006-04-25 0:05 ` Harald Arnesen
2006-04-25 0:46 ` Diego Calleja
2006-04-25 9:12 ` Harald Arnesen
2006-04-25 1:30 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-25 2:58 ` marty fouts
2006-04-27 22:55 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-05-02 15:58 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-05-02 20:36 ` David Schwartz
2006-04-25 8:15 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-04-25 8:42 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 8:52 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-25 9:00 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 9:05 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-25 9:13 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 9:22 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-04-25 20:20 ` J.A. Magallon
2006-04-25 20:31 ` Barry Kelly
2006-04-25 9:09 ` Nikita Danilov
2006-04-25 20:10 ` J.A. Magallon
2006-04-25 18:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-04-27 9:09 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2006-04-24 22:39 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-04-24 22:57 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-04-24 23:02 ` David Schwartz
2006-04-25 8:55 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-25 8:59 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-25 14:37 ` David Schwartz
2006-04-25 19:50 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-26 2:33 ` David Schwartz
2006-04-26 3:42 ` Matthew Frost
2006-04-26 19:25 ` David Schwartz
2006-04-26 20:01 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-04-26 20:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-26 20:19 ` Al Viro
2006-04-26 21:37 ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-04-28 9:23 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-28 12:00 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-28 12:46 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-04-26 20:25 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-04-26 20:43 ` David Schwartz
2006-04-26 23:00 ` Roman Kononov
2006-04-27 0:38 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-27 2:05 ` Roman Kononov
2006-04-27 3:37 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-27 5:37 ` Roman Kononov
2006-04-27 13:58 ` Michael Buesch
2006-04-27 14:22 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-27 8:07 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-27 13:55 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-04-27 14:27 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-27 14:56 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-04-27 15:54 ` Bob Copeland
2006-04-27 16:03 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-27 15:00 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-27 15:31 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-27 15:38 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-28 8:16 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-28 8:30 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-28 15:47 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-28 15:51 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-28 16:51 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-27 14:50 ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-04-27 8:50 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-27 3:57 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-04-27 5:53 ` Roman Kononov
2006-04-27 7:55 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2006-04-27 17:20 ` C++ pushback (when does this religious thread end?) Leonard Peterson
2006-04-30 17:48 ` C++ pushback Jan Harkes
2006-04-30 20:55 ` David Schwartz
2006-04-26 20:05 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-26 20:09 ` Xavier Bestel
2006-04-26 20:44 ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-05-02 20:09 ` C++ pushback + sparse Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-27 7:49 ` C++ pushback Jiri Kosina
2006-04-26 21:05 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-25 7:33 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 7:47 ` Nick Piggin
2006-05-13 16:21 ` Esben Nielsen
2006-04-24 20:36 ` Thiago Galesi
2006-04-24 21:38 ` Kurt Wall
2006-04-27 16:17 ` Roman Kononov
2006-04-27 21:59 ` Grant Coady
2006-04-27 22:09 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-04-27 23:19 ` Jan Knutar
2006-04-24 19:30 ` Compiling C++ modules Al Viro
2006-04-24 19:40 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-24 20:54 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2006-04-24 19:42 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2006-04-24 20:30 ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-04-24 20:35 ` C++ is in US [Re: Compiling C++ modules] Jiri Slaby
2006-04-24 20:45 ` Compiling C++ modules Alan Cox
2006-04-24 21:03 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-24 21:23 ` Joshua Hudson
2006-04-24 21:29 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-24 21:50 ` marty fouts
2006-04-24 22:09 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-24 22:30 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-04-24 22:32 ` Joshua Hudson
2006-04-24 22:45 ` marty fouts
2006-04-25 15:32 ` Michael Buesch
2006-04-25 7:08 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 10:23 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-04-25 15:59 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-25 16:46 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 17:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-04-25 17:19 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 17:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-04-25 17:53 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 18:04 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-04-25 18:08 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 18:26 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 18:38 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-25 18:52 ` Michael Poole
2006-04-25 19:13 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2006-04-27 15:10 ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-04-27 20:15 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-04-27 21:08 ` Davi Arnaut
2006-04-28 9:33 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-28 10:03 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-28 11:27 ` Sergei Organov
2006-04-28 11:03 ` Martin Mares
2006-04-28 11:30 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-28 15:56 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-28 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2006-04-28 17:38 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-29 2:50 ` Christer Weinigel
2006-05-01 17:46 ` Dave Neuer
2006-05-01 20:21 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 23:53 ` David Schwartz
2006-05-02 5:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-02 10:32 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-02 11:15 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-02 11:26 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-02 11:40 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-05-02 12:42 ` David Woodhouse
2006-05-02 16:27 ` Christer Weinigel
2006-05-02 12:48 ` Martin Mares
2006-05-02 13:52 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-02 14:13 ` Al Viro
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2006-05-02 16:16 ` Brian Beattie
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2006-05-02 13:21 ` Willy Tarreau
2006-05-02 14:41 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-02 22:25 ` Diego Calleja
2006-05-02 13:34 ` Al Viro
2006-05-02 14:02 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-02 14:34 ` Al Viro
2006-05-02 15:04 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-02 15:15 ` Al Viro
2006-05-02 15:19 ` Avi Kivity
2006-05-02 15:27 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-05-02 15:30 ` Avi Kivity
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