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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jay Lan <jlan@engr.sgi.com>,
	Peter Chubb <peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au>
Subject: Merge of per task delay accounting (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 06:24:54 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4484D25E.4020805@in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060604135011.decdc7c9.akpm@osdl.org>

Andrew Morton wrote:
> per-task-delay-accounting-setup.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-setup-fix-1.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-setup-fix-2.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-sync-block-i-o-and-swapin-delay-collection.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-sync-block-i-o-and-swapin-delay-collection-fix-1.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-cpu-delay-collection-via-schedstats.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-cpu-delay-collection-via-schedstats-fix-1.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-utilities-for-genetlink-usage.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-taskstats-interface.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-taskstats-interface-fix-1.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-taskstats-interface-fix-2.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-delay-accounting-usage-of-taskstats-interface.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-delay-accounting-usage-of-taskstats-interface-use-portable-cputime-api-in-__delayacct_add_tsk.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-documentation.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-proc-export-of-aggregated-block-i-o-delays.patch
> per-task-delay-accounting-proc-export-of-aggregated-block-i-o-delays-warning-fix.patch
> 
>  I just don't know.  There are a number of groups who pop up with various
>  enhanced accounting requirements and patches (all quite different) but I
>  haven't heard a lot of enthusiasm from any of them over this work, which
>  attempts to provide an extensible framework for accumulation and querying
>  of per-task metrics.
> 
>  But then again, we cannot just sit there and wait for everyone to be 100%
>  happy.  So I'm 51% inclined to push this along.
> 
>  Anyone else who has an interest in this sort of thing needs to be aware
>  that there will be an expectation that any future statistics submissions
>  should use these interfaces.  So the time to pay attention is right now.
> 

Hi, Andrew,

Here is a brief summary of the status of the response we have received from
the stakeholders (some of it has been duplicated in previous postings)

Project                                         Response

1. CSA accounting/PAGG/JOB:                    Has agreed to use taskstats
  Jay Lan <jlan@engr.sgi.com>                  interface

2. per-process IO statistics:                  None
  Levent Serinol <lserinol@gmail.com>          Needs are subset of CSA

3. per-cpu time statistics:                    None (email bounced)
  Erich Focht <efocht@ess.nec.de>              Needs can be met by taskstats
                                               Statistics not yet submitted

4. Microstate accounting:                      None
  Peter Chubb <peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au>      overlap with delay accounting
                                               prefers /proc due to convenience
                                               taskstats can meet the needs


5. ELSA: Guillaume Thouvenin                   None
  <guillaume.thouvenin@bull.net>               ELSA is not a direct user
                                               of new kernel statistics
                                               Consumer of CSA/BSD accounting
                                               statistics

6. pnotify: Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>         None
(taken over pnotify from Erik Jacobson)        Informed over private email
                                               that pnotify replacement is
                                               being worked on. pnotify
                                               or its replacement will
                                               not be concerned with
                                               exporting data to user space
                                               or collecting any statistics.


7. Scalable statistics counters with /proc      Not working on it
  reporting:                                   anymore
  Ravikiran G Thirumalai,
  Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>

Studying the responses from all stake holders, Jay Lan's was the most
encouraging. Peter Chubb prefers the /proc interface due to the text interface
and ease of parsing. (in our opinion, taskstats can meet the needs easily
and the getdelays utility can provide the same ease for parsing).
The others did not respond. 

Some performance numbers of taskstats were posted at
http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/3/23/141. The result highlights are included
below

    Results highlights

    - Configuring delay accounting adds < 0.5%
      overhead in most cases and even reduces overhead
      in some cases

    - Enabling delay accounting has similar results
      with a maximum overhead of 1.2% for hackbench,
      most other overheads < 1% and reduction in
      overhead in some cases

These statistics are _per task_ and can be extended easily by anyone
who wishes to obtain per task data. An example of per task improved
scheduler statistics was mentioned in http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/6/1/381
(I am not sure if the email refers to our per-task statistics). If not,
the new statistics could easily use the taskstats interface.

These statistics can be used by software product stacks to monitor
usage information about the various tasks they create and control.
I also informally spoke to a group of students (verbally), who were
excited at the possibility of using the per-task statistics to do
dynamic deadline based power management. They want to use the delay data
(CPU and IO) to predict deadlines for a task and then use these results
for dynamically scaling CPU frequency.


The ability to monitor the CPU run and delay data and IO delay data is useful.

I would request you to consider the inclusion per-task delay accounting into
2.6.18.

-- 

	Thanks,
	Balbir Singh,
	Linux Technology Center,
	IBM Software Labs

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-06  1:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 166+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-04 20:50 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Andrew Morton
2006-06-04 21:20 ` 2.6.18 hdrinstall (Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Bernhard Rosenkraenzer
2006-06-04 21:33 ` header cleanup and install David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:43   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 10:52   ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:54     ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 10:59       ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 10:57         ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 11:03           ` Jens Axboe
2006-06-05 18:09             ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05 19:19               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-17 20:35                 ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-06-17 21:20                   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 21:36 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Alan Cox
2006-06-04 21:41 ` kbuild, kconfig and hrdinstall stuff Sam Ravnborg
2006-06-04 21:54   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-04 23:04 ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-05 18:09   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 15:20   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-06 20:56     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-07  3:37       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  4:00       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  4:10         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  4:25           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  4:26             ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  6:22               ` klibc Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-07  6:38                 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  6:51             ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Joshua Hudson
2006-06-07 21:12               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09  8:03                 ` klibc Nix
2006-06-09 18:45                   ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
     [not found]                   ` <bda6d13a0606091050n40fda044v668eef09af3c29a7@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                     ` <871wty6rl9.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix>
2006-06-09 22:28                       ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 22:48                         ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-09 23:13                           ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-09 23:44                             ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-16  6:02                               ` klibc Joshua Hudson
2006-06-16 19:19                                 ` klibc H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-07  8:44       ` klibc (was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Pavel Machek
2006-06-07  9:44         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-04 23:50 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-05 20:20   ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-05 20:53     ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-05 21:07     ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 19:42       ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-07  0:41         ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-08  8:05           ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-15 11:40             ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16  3:21               ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16  3:35                 ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-16 15:33                 ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-16 18:48                   ` clocksource john stultz
2006-06-17 19:45                     ` clocksource Roman Zippel
2006-06-17 17:04                 ` clocksource Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  0:02 ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-05  1:06   ` utsname/hostname Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  3:10     ` utsname/hostname Randy.Dunlap
     [not found] ` <20060605002807.GA4919@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05  0:28   ` readahead benchmark Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05  1:02     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  0:32 ` new SCSI drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
     [not found] ` <20060605010501.GA4931@mail.ustc.edu.cn>
2006-06-05  1:05   ` statistics infrastructure Fengguang Wu
2006-06-05 16:30   ` Greg KH
2006-06-13 23:47     ` statistics infrastructure (in -mm tree) review Greg KH
2006-06-14  0:18       ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-14 16:45         ` Greg KH
2006-06-14 22:48         ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-19 22:12           ` Greg KH
2006-06-20 15:40             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-20 16:50               ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-06-21 18:51                 ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-21 19:38                   ` Matthew Frost
2006-06-22 11:43                     ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-14  5:04       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-14 22:49         ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-16 20:40           ` Greg KH
2006-06-16 21:34             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17  6:51           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-17 11:03             ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-17 10:30       ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-05  1:06 ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05  1:15   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  8:33     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05  8:45       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:26         ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:35           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 10:59             ` Alan Cox
2006-06-10  6:58             ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-05  8:54   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 12:33     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 12:48       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 12:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05 14:02           ` Linux kernel and laws Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05 14:21             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-06-06  5:33             ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2006-06-05 13:27     ` wireless (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) John W. Linville
2006-06-05 13:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05 13:42       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 16:24       ` Alan Cox
2006-06-29 14:26         ` ACX100 (softmac-based) driver ready to merge, but is it legal? -- " John W. Linville
     [not found]           ` <20060629144233.GB24463@tuxdriver.com>
2006-06-29 14:47             ` [Acx100-users] Denis Vlasenko, where are you? (mail bounced) Andreas Mohr
2006-06-05  1:32 ` merging new drivers (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Jeff Garzik
2006-06-05  1:47   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  8:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-05  9:10       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-05  9:16         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-05 11:10       ` Ivan Novick
2006-06-05 11:26         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-06-05  6:58   ` Francois Romieu
2006-06-05 10:32     ` Alan Cox
2006-06-05 10:36       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06  2:02         ` Chris Wright
2006-06-06  7:01           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-06 13:04             ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-05 13:38 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans -- GFS David Woodhouse
2006-06-05 14:10   ` Russell King
2006-06-05 15:01   ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-07  7:12     ` Steven Whitehouse
2006-06-05 14:08 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Oleg Nesterov
2006-06-05 14:43 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-08 19:56   ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-09 13:02     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-09 23:25     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10  0:39       ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  1:23         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-06-10  7:52           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  8:09           ` Eric W. Biederman
2006-06-10  9:53       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-06  0:54 ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2006-06-06 22:28   ` Merge of per task delay accounting (was Re: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 22:40     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 14:27       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 17:42         ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-08 18:36           ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-08 19:33             ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-06 22:52     ` Jay Lan
2006-06-06 22:55       ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-12 12:02       ` Martin Peschke
2006-06-12 13:28         ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-06 12:32 ` 2.6.18 -mm pi-futex merge Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 13:34   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-06 13:44     ` Steven Rostedt
2006-06-06 14:42 ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:56   ` genirq Daniel Walker
2006-06-07  8:42     ` genirq Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07  3:46   ` genirq Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-06 14:53 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Ingo Molnar
2006-06-06 16:02   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-06 16:35     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-06-06 20:47     ` lock validator [2.6.18 -mm merge plans] Ingo Molnar
2006-06-07  3:52 ` mutex vs. local irqs (Was: 2.6.18 -mm merge plans) Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  4:29   ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07  5:04     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  5:29       ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07  6:44         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-07  7:03           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-07 13:21           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08  0:31             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 10:49               ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-08 10:53                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-06-08 11:01                   ` David Woodhouse
2006-06-08 11:17               ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 13:38                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 14:02                   ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-08 23:40                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-06-08 22:59             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-06-10 10:22 ` 2.6.18 -mm merge plans Christoph Hellwig
2006-06-14 15:18   ` Michael Halcrow

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