Re: VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter)

Matthias Andree
2006-06-12T11:23:00Z

Neil Brown schrieb am 2006-06-12:

> On Monday June 12, alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
> >
> > SPF *would* be wonderful if the users controlled SPF handling and
> > someone fixed the forwarding flaws in it, but neither is the case today.
> >
>
> The "forwarding flaws" are not flaws in SPF but in SMTP practice.

No. SPF neglected existing SMTP practice when it was invented, the
typical sign of something engineered without respect for realities. It
has since been given a crutch named SRS, but it still can't walk. And
rather than fixing the SPF/SRS/... problems, their disciples advocate it
and tell all the world it needs to change.

Quite overstating their own importance I'd say.

> I suspect they grew out of the multi-hop days of UUCP and similar
> protocols, but it isn't appropriate in todays Internet.

Your suspicions are irrelevant, and thanks goodness neither Wong nor
Brown nor Matthias Anree are the absolute rulers of the internet.

> A forwarded email is a new message and shouldn't claim to be from the
> original sender.

A forwarded email conveys the same message as the originator sent,
it's a long way from being a new message. The time of monks copying
books is long past.

> Forwarding systems *Shouldn't* simply forward the mail.

I am controlling the forwarding system, and you aren't going to take it
away from me.

> Yes, people have to change their forwarding practices to be fully SPF
> compliant, but that is a case of it is broke, and should be fixed
> anyway.

Right, <twisting your words> SPF should be fixed.

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Matthias Andree