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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>
Cc: vatsa@in.ibm.com, Kirill Korotaev <dev@openvz.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	sekharan@us.ibm.com, Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, maeda.naoaki@jp.fujitsu.com,
	kurosawa@valinux.co.jp
Subject: Re: [RFC] CPU controllers?
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 17:17:03 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4494FDEF.1000604@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4494F549.7040605@vilain.net>

Sam Vilain wrote:
> Nick Piggin wrote:
> 
>>> The answer is quite simple, people who are consolidating systems and 
>>> working with fewer, larger systems, want to mark processes, groups of 
>>> processes or entire containers into CPU scheduling classes, then 
>>> either fair balance between them, limit them or reserve them a 
>>> portion of the CPU - depending on the user and what their 
>>> requirements are. What is unclear about that?
>>>
>>
>> It is unclear whether we should have hard limits, or just nice like
>> priority levels. Whether virtualisation (+/- containers) could be a
>> good solution, etc.
> 
> 
> Look, that was actually answered in the paragraph you're responding to. 
> Once again, give me a set of possible requirements and I'll find you a 
> set of users that have them. I am finding this sub-thread quite redundant.

Clearly we can't stuff everything into the kernel. What I'm asking is
what the important functionality is that people want to cover. I don't
know how you could possibly interpret it as anything else.

> 
>> If you want to *completely* isolate N groups of users, surely you
>> have to use virtualisation, unless you are willing to isolate memory
>> management, pagecache, slab caches, network and disk IO, etc.
> 
> 
> No, you have to use separate hardware. Try to claim otherwise and you're 
> glossing over the corner cases.

Well, virtualisation seems like it would get you a lot further than
containers for the same amount of work.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-18  7:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-15 13:46 [RFC] CPU controllers? Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-06-15 21:52 ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-15 23:30 ` Peter Williams
2006-06-16  0:42   ` Matt Helsley
2006-06-17  8:48 ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-17 15:55   ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-17 16:48   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-06-18  5:06     ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-18  5:53       ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-18  6:11         ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-18  6:40           ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-18  7:17             ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-06-18  6:42           ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18  7:28             ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-19 19:03               ` Resource Management Requirements (was "[RFC] CPU controllers?") Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-20  5:40                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-06-18  7:36             ` [RFC] CPU controllers? Mike Galbraith
2006-06-18  7:49               ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-18  7:49               ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-18  9:09               ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-18  9:49                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-19  6:28                   ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-19  6:35                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-19  6:46                       ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-19 18:21               ` Chris Friesen
2006-06-20  6:20                 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-06-18  7:18         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-06-19  2:07           ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-19  7:04             ` MAEDA Naoaki
2006-06-19  8:19               ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-19  8:41                 ` MAEDA Naoaki
2006-06-19  8:53                   ` Sam Vilain
2006-06-19 21:44                     ` MAEDA Naoaki
2006-06-19 18:14   ` Chris Friesen
2006-06-19 19:11     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-06-19 20:28       ` Chris Friesen

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