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From: Zoltan Menyhart <Zoltan.Menyhart@bull.net>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: discuss@x86-64.org, Chase Venters <chase.venters@clientec.com>,
	Brent Casavant <bcasavan@sgi.com>, Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
	vojtech@suse.cz, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Re: FOR REVIEW: New x86-64 vsyscall vgetcpu()
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:42:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44966383.1030006@bull.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200606170855.49123.ak@suse.de>

Brent Casavant wrote:

> To this last point, it might be more reasonable to map in a page that
> contained a new structure with a stable ABI, which mirrored some of
> the task_struct information, and likely other useful information as
> needs are identified in the future.  In any case, it would be hard
> to beat a single memory read for performance.
> 
> Cache-coloring and kernel bookkeeping effects could be minimized if this
> was provided as an mmaped page from a device driver, used only by
> applications which care.  This does work somewhat contrary to the idea of
> getting support into glibc, unless glibc only used this capability when
> asked to through some sort of environment variable or other run-time
> configuration.

Quite O.K. for me.

Andi Kleen wrote:

>>Well, if every process had a page of its own, what would the context
>>switch overhead be?

> For process zero, for thread quite high on x86 because you
> would need per CPU page tables. Doing that would be extremly
> nasty because you would potentially need to allocate a new
> set of page tables every time the process is scheduled to a new
> CPU it hasn't run on before.

Probably I have not explained it correctly:
- The "information page" (that includes the current CPU no.) is not a
  per CPU page
- This page is just another page that is mapped at a "well known" user
  virtual address (for those who are interested in)
- As you do not do any special action for each user page on context
  switch, there is nothing to to this page either
- The scheduler sometimes migrates a task, then it updates the
  the current CPU number on the "information page"

> My reference was more to high suggestion of keeping a second version 
> of task_struct for export. That would require changing everything
> in task struct that is changed on switch_to and should be exported
> in the other function too.

It depends on what else can be in this "information page".
As for the current CPU no., you need a single store on each task migration.

Thanks,

Zoltan

  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-19  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-14  7:42 FOR REVIEW: New x86-64 vsyscall vgetcpu() Andi Kleen
2006-06-14 10:47 ` Alan Cox
2006-06-14 14:54 ` Steve Munroe
2006-06-15 23:17   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
     [not found] ` <449029DB.7030505@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <200606141752.02361.ak@suse.de>
2006-06-14 16:30     ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-06-14 17:34       ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2006-06-15 18:44 ` Tony Luck
2006-06-16  6:22   ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16  7:23     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-06-16  7:37       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16  9:48     ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 10:09       ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 11:02         ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 11:17           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 11:58             ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 12:36               ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-06-16 12:41                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-16 12:48                   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-06-16 21:04                     ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 14:56                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 15:31                   ` Zoltan Menyhart
2006-06-16 15:37                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 15:58                       ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-06-16 16:24                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 16:33                           ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-06-16 21:12                     ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 15:36                   ` Brent Casavant
2006-06-16 15:40                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 21:15                       ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 21:19                       ` Chase Venters
2006-06-16 23:40                         ` Brent Casavant
2006-06-17  6:58                           ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-17  6:55                         ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2006-06-19  8:42                           ` Zoltan Menyhart [this message]
2006-06-19  8:54                             ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-16 14:54               ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-20  8:28                 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-06-19  0:15 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-19  8:21   ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-19 10:09     ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-21  1:18     ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-21  1:21       ` Paul Jackson

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