From: Jay Lan <jlan@engr.sgi.com>
To: Shailabh Nagar <nagar@watson.ibm.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
balbir@in.ibm.com, csturtiv@sgi.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Patch][RFC] Disabling per-tgid stats on task exit in taskstats
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:19:45 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <449C30C1.6090802@engr.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <449C2181.6000007@watson.ibm.com>
Shailabh Nagar wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>Two developments on the tgid overhead issue:
>
>1. The latest results show that overhead is significant
>only when the exit rate exceeds roughly 1000 threads/second.
>
I worked with Shailabh this week to run various testing and
debugging as he requested. I was pulled off to some urgent
task yesterday and surprising saw this coming this morning...
Let's slow it down please. My last testing (after your fix in
#2 below) still showed 109% overhead at system time. And, the
per-thread group processing also increase the rate of ENOBUFS
at the receiver.
I need to check with other guys to find out if 1000 threads/sec
indeed unrealistic at our customers' environments. A good
design should allow a mechanism to turn off the penalty due to
a feature that is not common to everybody. I do not understand
your objection.
Regards,
- jay
>2. A new patch that modifies the locking used within taskstats,
>brings down the overhead of the extreme case quite a bit.
>I'll submit the patch along shortly in a separate mail.
>
>To get back to the effect of exit rate, I modified the fork+exit
>benchmark to vary the rate at which exits happened and
>ran tests on a 4-way 1.4 GHz x86_64 box. The kernel was 2.6.17,
>uses the delay accounting/taskstat patches in 2.6.17-mm1 + the new
>locking patch mentioned in 2. above.
>
>The results show that differential between tgid on and off
>starts becoming significant once the exit rate crosses roughly 1000
>threads/second. Below that exit rate, the difference is negligible.
>Above it, the difference starts climbing rapidly.
>
>So I guess the question is whether this rate of exit is representative
>enough of real life to warrant making any more changes to the existing
>patchset, beyond the locking changes in 2. above.
>
>>From my limited experience, I think this is too high an exit rate
>to be worrying about overhead.
>
>
> %ovhd of tgid on over off
> (higher is worse)
>
>Exit User Sys Elapsed
>Rate Time Time Time
>
>2283 25.76 649.41 -0.14
>1193 -10.53 88.81 -0.12
>963 -11.90 3.28 -0.10
>806 -8.54 -0.84 0.16
>694 -4.41 2.38 0.03
>
>Exit Rate: units are threads exiting per second.
>Calculated by (#threads_forked+exited)/(elapsed_time)/2
>Since app pretty much does only thread create and exit for 10000
>threads (1000 threads, 10 iterations), this is a good measure
>for exit rate.
>
>%diff in user, sys, elapsed times calculated using
>(tgid_on - tgid_off)/tgid_off * 100
>where tgid_on/off times are reported by /usr/bin/time as before.
>
>Each data point for tgid_on and tgid_off was an average
>of 10 runs of the fork+exit benchmark.
>The rate of exits was controlled by delaying the individual
>threads through a usleep before being allowed to exit.
>
>Machine was 4-way 1.6GHz x86_64 Opteron.
>
>"exit_recv -w", the user program consuming the stats, was running
>on the side, reading the stats but not writing to a file or
>printing to screen.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-06-23 18:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-09 7:41 [Patch][RFC] Disabling per-tgid stats on task exit in taskstats Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-09 8:00 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 10:51 ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-09 11:21 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 13:20 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-09 18:25 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-09 19:12 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-09 15:36 ` Balbir Singh
2006-06-09 18:35 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-09 19:31 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-09 21:56 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-09 22:42 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-09 23:22 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-09 23:47 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-09 23:56 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-10 12:21 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-12 18:31 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-12 21:57 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-10 13:05 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-12 18:54 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-21 19:11 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-21 19:14 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-21 19:34 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-21 23:35 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-21 23:45 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-23 17:14 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-23 18:19 ` Jay Lan [this message]
2006-06-23 18:53 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-23 20:00 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-23 20:16 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-23 20:36 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-23 21:19 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-23 22:07 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-23 23:47 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-24 2:59 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-24 4:39 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-24 5:59 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-26 17:33 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-26 17:52 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-26 17:55 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-26 18:00 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-26 18:12 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-26 18:26 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-26 18:39 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-26 18:49 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-26 19:00 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-28 21:30 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-28 21:53 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-28 22:02 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-29 8:40 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 12:30 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-06-29 16:44 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 18:01 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-29 18:07 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 18:26 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 19:15 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 19:41 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 21:42 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 21:54 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-29 22:09 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 22:23 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-30 0:15 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 0:40 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-30 1:00 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 1:05 ` Paul Jackson
[not found] ` <44A46C6C.1090405@watson.ibm.com>
2006-06-30 0:38 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-30 2:21 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-30 2:46 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 2:54 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-30 3:02 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 19:22 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 19:10 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 19:23 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 19:33 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-29 19:43 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 20:00 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-29 22:13 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 23:00 ` jamal
2006-06-29 20:01 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-29 21:22 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 22:54 ` jamal
2006-06-30 0:38 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 1:05 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-30 1:11 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 1:30 ` jamal
2006-06-30 3:01 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 12:45 ` jamal
2006-06-30 2:25 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-30 2:35 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-30 2:43 ` Paul Jackson
2006-06-29 19:33 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-30 18:53 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 19:10 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 19:19 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 20:19 ` jamal
2006-06-30 22:50 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-01 2:20 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-01 2:43 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-01 3:37 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-01 3:51 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-03 21:11 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-03 21:41 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-04 0:13 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-04 0:38 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-04 20:19 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-04 20:22 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-04 0:54 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-04 1:01 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-04 13:05 ` jamal
2006-07-04 15:18 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-04 16:37 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-04 19:24 ` jamal
2006-07-05 14:09 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-05 20:25 ` Chris Sturtivant
2006-07-05 20:32 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-03 4:53 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-03 15:02 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-03 15:55 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-03 16:31 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-04 0:09 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-07-04 19:59 ` Paul Jackson
2006-07-05 17:20 ` Jay Lan
2006-07-05 18:18 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-30 22:56 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-29 18:05 ` Nick Piggin
2006-06-29 12:42 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-24 3:08 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-21 20:38 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-21 21:31 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-21 21:45 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-21 21:54 ` Andrew Morton
2006-06-21 22:19 ` Jay Lan
2006-06-21 21:59 ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-06-09 15:55 ` Chris Sturtivant
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