From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750802AbWF3XFB (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:05:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751426AbWF3XFB (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:05:01 -0400 Received: from hobbit.corpit.ru ([81.13.94.6]:7777 "EHLO hobbit.corpit.ru") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750802AbWF3XFA (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 19:05:00 -0400 Message-ID: <44A5AE17.4080106@tls.msk.ru> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:04:55 +0400 From: Michael Tokarev Organization: Telecom Service, JSC User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060318) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pavel Machek CC: Roman Zippel , "H. Peter Anvin" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, klibc@zytor.com, torvalds@osdl.org Subject: Re: klibc and what's the next step? References: <20060630181131.GA1709@elf.ucw.cz> In-Reply-To: <20060630181131.GA1709@elf.ucw.cz> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 OpenPGP: id=4F9CF57E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Pavel Machek wrote: [klibc/kinit in kernel] > I'd like to eventually move swsusp out of kernel, and klibc means I > may be able to do that without affecting users. Being in kinit is good > enough, because I can actually share single source between kinit > version and suspend.sf.net version. Heh. Take a look at anyone who's using real initramfs for their boot process. Not initrd, not kernel-without-any-preboot-fs, but real initramfs. For them, if kinit/klibc will be in kernel, nothing changes, because their initramfs *replaces* in-kernel code and future supplied- with-kernel-klibc-based-kinit. So if you'll move swsusp into kinit, it WILL break setups for those users!.. ;) And with time, amount of such users increases. Because everyone's switching from initrd to initramfs; or because everyone's starting using initramfs (not initrd as "obsolete") since their systems now require some sort of custom stuff while mounting root (like firmware loading, or device-mapper setup for sata pseudo-raids, or whatever). Oh well. /mjt