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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, klibc@zytor.com, torvalds@osdl.org
Subject: Re: klibc and what's the next step?
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:15:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A5B07E.9040007@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44A5AE17.4080106@tls.msk.ru>

Michael Tokarev wrote:
> Pavel Machek wrote:
> [klibc/kinit in kernel]
>> I'd like to eventually move swsusp out of kernel, and klibc means I
>> may be able to do that without affecting users. Being in kinit is good
>> enough, because I can actually share single source between kinit
>> version and suspend.sf.net version.
> 
> Heh.  Take a look at anyone who's using real initramfs for their boot
> process.  Not initrd, not kernel-without-any-preboot-fs, but real
> initramfs.  For them, if kinit/klibc will be in kernel, nothing changes,
> because their initramfs *replaces* in-kernel code and future supplied-
> with-kernel-klibc-based-kinit.  So if you'll move swsusp into kinit,
> it WILL break setups for those users!.. ;)
> 

There are two ways to deal with this.

Either the kernel can unconditionally invoke /kinit, which then would 
invoke the users /init if present, or the swsusp can be a separate 
initramfs binary which the user's initramfs gets to invoke (the second 
is arguably neater, but requires minor changes to the users initramfs.)

Either way, it's a trivial problem to solve.

	-hpa


  reply	other threads:[~2006-06-30 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26  0:57 [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 13:12 ` klibc and what's the next step? Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 13:39   ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-27 16:42     ` [klibc] " Greg KH
2006-06-28 23:46       ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 17:01     ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:11       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 17:40         ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:45           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:22             ` Joshua Hudson
2006-06-28  5:47               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29  0:04             ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-03 18:30               ` Rob Landley
2006-07-03 18:46                 ` [klibc] " maximilian attems
2006-07-04  1:36                   ` Jeff Bailey
2006-07-04  2:02                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 14:07   ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-27 14:40   ` Jeff Bailey
2006-06-27 19:47   ` Milton Miller
2006-06-28 23:56     ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-29  0:34       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29 23:33         ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-30  8:00           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-06-30 18:08             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 22:58               ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 18:11   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-30 23:04     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 23:15       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-07-01 10:56         ` [klibc] " Jeff Bailey
2006-07-01 15:05           ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-01 20:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-01 21:58               ` Al Viro
2006-07-01 22:31               ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02  0:05               ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02  0:17                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02  0:38                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02  0:50                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 22:22             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-03  7:23             ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-07-03 21:36             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-01 15:22           ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 15:47           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 23:32       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-11  4:48   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 10:29     ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 11:27       ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 16:40           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:05             ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 17:16               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:23                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 17:30                   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:46                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:01                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:04                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:10                           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:17                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:15                               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 19:29                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:38                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:51                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:59                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 20:01                                       ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 20:11                                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:57                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:03                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:06                   ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 18:15                   ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:22                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:53                       ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 18:46                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:06                       ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:22                         ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 21:22                         ` Greg KH
2006-07-12 16:54                           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 16:58                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 17:01                               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 21:36                             ` Greg KH
2006-07-11 17:55               ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:46             ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:52               ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:02                 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 10:51     ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-07-11 13:45     ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 14:28       ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 15:13       ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 15:30         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-11 15:47           ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:21         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 14:32     ` Rene Herman
2006-07-12 15:23       ` David Lang
2006-07-13 11:58     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 18:59 ` [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset Milton Miller
2006-06-27 19:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:39     ` Milton Miller

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