From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Jeff Bailey <jbailey@ubuntu.com>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
torvalds@osdl.org, klibc@zytor.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Subject: Re: [klibc] klibc and what's the next step?
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:22:16 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A6F598.7090601@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060701150506.GA10517@thunk.org>
Theodore Tso wrote:
>
> Personally, I would be happier with keeping things like suspend2 in
> the kernel, since I don't think the hellish compatibility problems
> with non-reviewed kernel functionality that has been ejected into
> userspace is really worth it --- but if we *are* going to go down the
> route pushing everything into userspace, it is going to be critical
> that distro's buy into using a kernel initialization system which is
> shipped with the kernel, and can be updated without being tied a
> particular distro's non-standard "value add". Maybe that means we
> need to have hooks so that the distro's can add their non-standard
> "value add" without breaking the ability for users to upgrade to newer
> kernels.
That would be my feeling. The ability to overlay initramfs is essential
for that.
> But either way, we're going to have to decide which way
> we're going to go, and if we're going to go down the blind
> in-userspace-good-in-kernel-bad approach, the distro's are going to
> have to cooperate or it's going to be a mess.
Of course.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-01 22:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-06-26 0:57 [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 13:12 ` klibc and what's the next step? Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 13:39 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-27 16:42 ` [klibc] " Greg KH
2006-06-28 23:46 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-27 17:01 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 17:40 ` Andi Kleen
2006-06-27 17:45 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:22 ` Joshua Hudson
2006-06-28 5:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29 0:04 ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-03 18:30 ` Rob Landley
2006-07-03 18:46 ` [klibc] " maximilian attems
2006-07-04 1:36 ` Jeff Bailey
2006-07-04 2:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 14:07 ` Jon Smirl
2006-06-27 14:40 ` Jeff Bailey
2006-06-27 19:47 ` Milton Miller
2006-06-28 23:56 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-29 0:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-29 23:33 ` Roman Zippel
2006-06-30 8:00 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-06-30 18:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-30 22:58 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 18:11 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-30 23:04 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-06-30 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 10:56 ` [klibc] " Jeff Bailey
2006-07-01 15:05 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-01 20:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-01 21:58 ` Al Viro
2006-07-01 22:31 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02 0:05 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02 0:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-02 0:38 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-02 0:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 22:22 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-07-03 7:23 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2006-07-03 21:36 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-01 15:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-01 15:47 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-06-30 23:32 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-11 4:48 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 10:29 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 11:27 ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 16:40 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 17:16 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:23 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 17:30 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 17:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:01 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:10 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:15 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 19:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 19:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-11 19:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-11 20:01 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 20:11 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:06 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 18:15 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 18:53 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 18:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-11 20:06 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 20:22 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 21:22 ` Greg KH
2006-07-12 16:54 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 16:58 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-12 17:01 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-12 21:36 ` Greg KH
2006-07-11 17:55 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:46 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 17:52 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 18:02 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 10:51 ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-07-11 13:45 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-11 14:28 ` Michael Tokarev
2006-07-11 15:13 ` [klibc] " Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 15:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-11 15:47 ` Olaf Hering
2006-07-11 16:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-11 14:32 ` Rene Herman
2006-07-12 15:23 ` David Lang
2006-07-13 11:58 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 18:59 ` [klibc 00/43] klibc as a historyless patchset Milton Miller
2006-06-27 19:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-06-27 20:39 ` Milton Miller
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