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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: ext4 features
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 17:34:18 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44A98D5A.5030508@tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060703202219.GA9707@aitel.hist.no>

Helge Hafting wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 08:17:02PM +0200, Tomasz Torcz wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 07:47:16PM +0200, Thomas Glanzmann wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>> Checksums are not very useful for themselves. They are useful when we
>>>> have other copy of data (think raid mirroring) so data can be
>>>> reconstructed from working copy.
>>> it would be possible to identify data corruption.
>>>
>>   Yes, but what good is identification? We could only return I/O error.
>> Ability to fix corruption (like ZFS) is the real killer.
> 
> Isn't that what we have RAID-1/5/6 for?  

I think he is talking about another problem. RAID addresses detectable 
failures at the hardware level. I believe that he wants validation after 
the data is returned (without error) from the device. While in most 
cases if what you wrote and what you read don't match it's memory, 
improving the chances of catching the error is useful, given that 
non-server often lacks ECC on memory, or people buy cheaper non-parity 
memory.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
   Obscure bug of 2004: BASH BUFFER OVERFLOW - if bash is being run by a
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-03 21:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-01 16:33 ext4 features Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-01 17:07 ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-01 17:47   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-01 18:09     ` Claudio Martins
2006-07-01 18:59       ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-01 18:17     ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-03  9:44       ` Gabor Gombas
2006-07-03 20:22       ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-03 20:55         ` Tomasz Torcz
2006-07-03 21:01           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-03 21:46             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-03 21:25               ` Diego Calleja
2006-07-03 22:17                 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-04 14:45                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-04 16:35                     ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-04 18:52                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-04 19:40                         ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-05 13:35                       ` Lew Palm
2006-07-03 23:01                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2006-07-04  9:14                 ` Benny Amorsen
2006-07-05  4:21                   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05  5:13                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-05  5:45                       ` Jeffrey V. Merkey
2006-07-07 14:12                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-05 10:38                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 14:10                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 17:45                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 21:30                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 10:52                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 10:55                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 11:19                               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 11:23                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 18:45                                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 20:24                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04  9:22                 ` Petr Tesarik
2006-07-04 11:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2006-07-04 11:55                     ` ext4 features (salvage) Petr Tesarik
     [not found]                       ` <80294dc60607040508l1022d164ybe0ba10858e54f0c@mail.gmail.com>
2006-07-04 12:31                         ` Petr Tesarik
2006-07-04 12:42                           ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-04 16:20                       ` Matthew Frost
2006-07-04 15:25                     ` ext4 features Pavel Machek
2006-07-05  4:10                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-03 21:46               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
     [not found]                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0607032354170.31747@yvahk01.tjqt.qr>
2006-07-04 14:37                   ` Kernel recycler [was: ext4 features] Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-04 11:14               ` ext4 features Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04 22:35               ` Frank van Maarseveen
2006-07-04 23:47                 ` Claudio Martins
2006-07-03 22:12             ` Alan Cox
2006-07-03 21:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-03 23:31               ` ext4 features (checksums) Neil Brown
2006-07-04  1:03                 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-04  6:09                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-04  7:02                   ` Neil Brown
2006-07-04  8:26                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-05 11:56                       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:06                   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:19                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 17:54                       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-04  8:17                 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-04 11:08                   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-04 11:19                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04 12:49                   ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-05 12:01                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:10                       ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 18:02                         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-06  0:36           ` Blatant layering violations (was Re: ext4 features) Valerie Henson
2006-07-06 12:15             ` Xavier Bestel
2006-07-06 17:06               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-06 20:02             ` Tom Vier
2006-07-03 21:34         ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2006-07-03 21:50           ` ext4 features Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-03 22:04             ` Bruce Ferrell
2006-07-04 14:48               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-03 23:00             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-04 15:01               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-05  2:40                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05  2:47                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-04 12:52             ` Helge Hafting
2006-07-06 15:12       ` Ric Wheeler
2006-07-06 17:05         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-06 17:27           ` Ric Wheeler
2006-07-06 20:52             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-07 17:41               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 17:34             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-04  1:02 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-04 19:16   ` Thomas Glanzmann
2006-07-04 19:30   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-05 12:24   ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 12:59     ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-05 13:17       ` Pádraig Brady
2006-07-05 19:33       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-05 21:22         ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 21:42           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-08 21:04             ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-10 20:08               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-10 22:37                 ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-11  2:36                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-21  3:10                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-21 12:06                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-21 14:36                         ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-21 19:02                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-22 12:25                             ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-05 21:12       ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-05 21:27         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-05 21:41         ` J. Bruce Fields
2006-07-06  2:32           ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-06  2:42             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-06 12:43             ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07  2:15               ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-07  2:30                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07  2:42                 ` Ric Wheeler
2006-07-07  2:46                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07  3:16                     ` Bill Davidsen
2006-07-07  8:09                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-07-07 14:56                       ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-07 19:52                 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-05 14:04   ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-04 14:36 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-04 14:43   ` Thomas Glanzmann
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2006-07-04 12:28                   ` Bodo Eggert
2006-07-04 15:32                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
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2006-07-05 22:40                         ` Bodo Eggert
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2006-07-07  9:38               ` Bodo Eggert
2006-07-07 14:37                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-07-09  9:50                   ` Bodo Eggert
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2006-07-08  2:22 Chuck Ebbert

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