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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: Add SCHED_BGND (background) scheduling policy
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 03:40:36 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44ABF994.7090204@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060705081934.GA1898@elte.hu>

Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Peter Williams <pwil3058@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

>>Of course, a comprehensive (as opposed to RT only) priority 
>>inheritance mechanism would make the "safe/unsafe to background" 
>>problem go away and make this patch very simple.  Any plans in that 
>>direction?
> 
> 
> that seems quite unlikely to happen. I think you are missing the biggest 
> issue: for RT, if the priority inheritance mechanism does not extend to 
> a given scheduling pattern it causes longer latencies, but no harm is 
> done otherwise. But for SCHED_BGND we'd have to make sure _every_ place 
> is priority-inversions safe - otherwise we risk a potential local DoS if 
> a task with a critical resource is backgrounded! That's plain impossible 
> to achieve.

Right. And it isn't just straightforward things like locks, but
any limited resource.

mempools and block device requests are two that come to mind.

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  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-05 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-04 23:35 [PATCH] sched: Add SCHED_BGND (background) scheduling policy Peter Williams
2006-07-05  0:14 ` Con Kolivas
2006-07-05  0:49   ` Peter Williams
2006-07-05  0:52     ` Con Kolivas
2006-07-05  8:05     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-07-05 14:04       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-05  0:44 ` Con Kolivas
2006-07-05  1:15   ` Peter Williams
2006-07-05  1:33     ` Con Kolivas
2006-07-05  4:20       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-05  3:06   ` Peter Williams
2006-07-05  6:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05  8:03   ` Peter Williams
2006-07-05  8:15     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-05  8:19     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 17:40       ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-07-05 11:42 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-07-05 13:59   ` Peter Williams
2006-07-05 14:18     ` Peter Williams
2006-07-05 14:48     ` Mike Galbraith
2006-07-06 23:50       ` Peter Williams

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