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From: Avi Kivity <avi@argo.co.il>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>,
	"linux-os (Dick Johnson)" <linux-os@analogic.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile'
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 12:20:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44AF78CE.7060904@argo.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1152348696.3120.9.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>
> >
> > It could be argued that gcc's implementation of volatile is wrong, and
> > that gcc should add the appropriate serializing instructions before and
> > after volatile accesses.
> >
> > Of course, that would make volatile even more suboptimal, but at least
> > correct.
>
> with PCI, and the PCI posting rules, there is no "one" serializing
> instruction, you need to know the specifics of the device in question to
> cause the flush. So at least there is no universal possible
> implementation of volatile as you suggest ;-)
>

A serializing volatile makes it possible to write portable code to 
access pci mmio.  You'd just follow a write with a read or whatever the 
rules say.

Of course, it would still generate horrible code, and would still be 
unable to express notions like atomic accesses, so there is not much 
point in it.

One point which was raised, is that optimization barriers also somewhat 
pessimize the code. I wonder how useful a partial memory clobber could be:

  #define spin_lock_data(lock, lock_protected_data...) \
      do { __spin_lock(lock); asm volatile ( "" : : : 
"memory"(lock_protected_data) ); } while(0)

Where __spin_lock has a partial memory clobber only on the lock variable 
itself.

It would take a lot of work, but it can eliminate the instructions to 
save and reload registers.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-08  9:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 163+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-05  8:49 [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05  9:31 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05  9:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05  9:53     ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 10:26       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 11:30         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 11:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 17:10             ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 19:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 20:18                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 20:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 20:47                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 21:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 21:21                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 21:45                         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 21:58                           ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-07-05 22:00                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 22:10                               ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-07-05 22:27                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 23:15                               ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-05 22:09                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-05 22:30                             ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 23:11                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06  8:16                               ` [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile' Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  8:23                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  9:27                                 ` Heiko Carstens
2006-07-06  9:34                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 11:59                                 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-06 12:01                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 12:29                                     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-06 12:39                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 13:39                                         ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-06 13:43                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 14:05                                           ` Chase Venters
2006-07-06 14:26                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-07-06 16:40                                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-06 23:19                                       ` David Schwartz
2006-07-06 18:15                                     ` Mark Lord
2006-07-06 19:15                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:33                                         ` Chris Friesen
2006-07-06 19:37                                           ` Mark Lord
2006-07-06 20:28                                             ` Chris Friesen
2006-07-06 20:32                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:38                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-06 19:41                                           ` Måns Rullgård
2006-07-06 19:42                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-06 19:58                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 20:27                                             ` Mark Lord
2006-07-06 20:40                                             ` Chris Friesen
2006-07-06 21:00                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  8:40                                         ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08  8:51                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08  9:20                                             ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2006-07-08  9:51                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 10:18                                                 ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-08 10:28                                                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-09  4:19                                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-07-09 12:47                                                     ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-09 19:16                                                       ` David Schwartz
2006-07-09 19:51                                                         ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-09 20:40                                                           ` [OT] 'volatile' in userspace Rutger Nijlunsing
2006-07-10  3:42                                                             ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-10 17:00                                                               ` Joshua Hudson
2006-07-10 17:54                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-11  7:48                                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-11 11:53                                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-11 19:09                                                                       ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-07-11 20:55                                                                       ` Jeff Dike
2006-07-10 18:54                                                                 ` Jeff Dike
2006-07-10 20:09                                                                   ` Philippe Troin
2006-07-10 20:52                                                                     ` Jeff Dike
2006-07-06 16:07                                   ` [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile' Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 16:13                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 17:04                                       ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-06 17:52                                       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-06 18:00                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 21:02                                           ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-06 21:12                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 18:10                                         ` Michael Buesch
2006-07-06 18:16                                         ` Chase Venters
2006-07-07 18:16                                         ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 19:51                                           ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-07 20:25                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07 21:22                                               ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-07-07 21:48                                                 ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08 10:00                                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 13:41                                                     ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08 20:09                                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08 20:40                                                         ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08 20:47                                                           ` Chase Venters
2006-07-09 10:57                                                           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 21:59                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07 22:06                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08 20:49                                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 21:43                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-07 22:05                                                 ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-07 22:22                                                   ` Chase Venters
2006-07-07 22:37                                                     ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-08  9:33                                                       ` David Schwartz
2006-07-07 22:49                                                     ` J.A. Magallón
2006-07-07 22:59                                                       ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-07-07 23:18                                                       ` Chase Venters
2006-07-07 23:36                                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2006-07-07 22:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-08  7:36                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-07 20:39                                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-07 23:06                                             ` Björn Steinbrink
2006-07-08  8:36                                             ` Avi Kivity
2006-07-06 19:32                                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-06 20:26                                         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-06 20:55                                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-06 21:07                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 19:56                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06 20:34                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08 22:50                                     ` Ralf Baechle
2006-07-09  3:09                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09  3:07                                     ` Keith Owens
2006-07-09  3:29                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09  3:43                                         ` Keith Owens
2006-07-09  3:58                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09  6:13                                         ` David Miller
2006-07-09 14:28                                         ` Roman Zippel
2006-07-09 15:27                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-06  8:18                               ` [patch] lockdep: clean up completion initializer in smpboot.c Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  8:23                               ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions Ingo Molnar
2006-07-06  9:02                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-06  9:12                                   ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_head() Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 20:45                   ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05 10:37     ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-07-05 10:44       ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 10:46         ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-05 10:47         ` Ingo Molnar
2006-07-05  9:54 ` [patch] uninline init_waitqueue_*() functions, fix Ingo Molnar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-07-07 10:21 [patch] spinlocks: remove 'volatile' Chuck Ebbert
2006-07-07 17:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  3:54 Albert Cahalan
2006-07-08  5:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  6:39   ` Nick Piggin
2006-07-08 18:53     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08  9:45 ` Joe Korty
2006-07-08  9:52   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08  9:59   ` David Schwartz
2006-07-08 10:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-08 15:49     ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-08 18:31       ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-08 19:33         ` Albert Cahalan
2006-07-08 20:11           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-09 21:10             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09 22:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-10 16:25               ` marty fouts
2006-07-08 23:10           ` David Schwartz
2006-07-08 13:57   ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-08 19:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-07-08 10:45 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-07-08  6:12 trajce nedev
2006-07-08  6:19 ` Chase Venters
2006-07-08  6:45   ` trajce nedev
2006-07-08  6:58     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08  7:02     ` Vadim Lobanov
2006-07-08 13:46     ` Chase Venters
2006-07-09  4:39       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-07-14  3:30       ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-08 18:23 ` Linus Torvalds

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