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From: dirk husemann <hud@zurich.ibm.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net,
	Avuton Olrich <avuton@gmail.com>,
	Olivier Galibert <galibert@pobox.com>,
	Jan Rychter <jan@rychter.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	grundig <grundig@teleline.es>,
	Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>
Subject: Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: uswsusp history lesson
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:10:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44B2196E.5010302@zurich.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200607082125.12819.rjw@sisk.pl>

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Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Saturday 08 July 2006 18:50, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
>   
>> [...]
>> PICK ONE AND MAKE IT GOOD.
>>
>> Bang heads together. Go for beer at OLS. I don't care how, but anything
>> to prevent the insane thing of having multiple half working
>> implementations.
>>     
>
> I think everyone agrees with that.  However, the problem is we already have
> two of them and one is out of the tree.  Each of them has its supporters who
> believe their implementation of choice is "better" and want it to become
> the Only One. 
hmm...not quite sure that the suspend2 ppl want it to become the only
one...we just want to have a fair playing field; that is, not a
situation where we are being told "my code is in the kernel, i like it
much better, work on my code or go away and play somewhere else" when we
have tried the code in the kernel, have found it to be lacking, and have
an alternative that appears to be working much better.
>  Unfortunately the implementations are not 100% mergeable for
> technical reasons and the out-of-the-tree one is more feature-rich.
>
> Now there seem to be two possible ways to go:
> 1) Drop the implementation that already is in the kernel and replace it with
> the out-of-the-tree one.
> 2) Improve the one that already is in the kernel incrementally, possibly
> merging some code from the out-of-the-tree implementation, so that it's as
> feature-rich as the other one.
>
> Apparently 1) is what Nigel is trying to make happen and 2) is what I'd like
> to do.
>   
again, i think, nigel is trying to get (3) accomplished:

3) get the out-of-the-tree code merged into the kernel and let
users/developers/distros decide.


    cheers,
    dirk


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-07-10  9:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-26 15:47 Suspend2 - Request for review & inclusion in -mm Nigel Cunningham
2006-06-27 13:33 ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 15:22   ` [Suspend2-devel] " Brad Campbell
2006-06-27 15:41     ` Andreas Mohr
2006-06-27 16:01       ` Avuton Olrich
2006-06-27 22:23         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 22:22       ` swsusp / suspend2 reliability (was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: Suspend2 - Request for review & inclusion in -mm) Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 22:38         ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-27 22:51           ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 23:18             ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 19:53               ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 22:19                 ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 22:24                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 22:37                     ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 22:46                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28 23:06                         ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28 22:52                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-06-28 23:09                     ` Sebastian Kügler
2006-06-28  8:56         ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2006-06-28 19:58           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-06 19:15         ` swsusp / suspend2 reliability Jan Rychter
2006-07-07 13:50           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 14:05             ` [Suspend2-devel] " Rohan Dhruva
2006-07-07 18:21               ` David Fox
2006-07-07 21:42                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 15:03             ` dirk husemann
2006-07-07 23:19               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 18:03             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-07 23:18               ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 15:19           ` Avuton Olrich
2006-07-07 16:09             ` grundig
2006-07-07 17:44               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-07 21:39                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 21:56                   ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-07 23:25                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-07 23:33                       ` [Suspend2-devel] " Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08  0:04                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08  0:28                         ` uswsusp history lesson [was Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: swsusp / suspend2 reliability] Pavel Machek
2006-07-08  3:42                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 10:38                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 11:13                               ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 18:34                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 22:35                                   ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 11:31                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 11:42                                 ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 12:52                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 13:26                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 21:04                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 22:25                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 18:52                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 21:10                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 22:28                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 23:54                                       ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  0:02                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-09  0:09                                           ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09 10:03                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-11 12:45                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-11 21:54                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-11 22:01                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-11 22:34                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-11 23:00                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-12 10:09                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-12 10:16                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 11:22                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08  4:33                           ` Avuton Olrich
2006-07-08 11:12                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 11:21                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08  4:58                           ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08  9:11                           ` uswsusp history lesson Jan Rychter
2006-07-08 10:14                             ` [Suspend2-devel] " Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 10:41                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 11:11                                 ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 11:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-08 11:16                                     ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 11:20                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 13:19                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 22:32                                     ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 16:43                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-08 16:47                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 17:01                                     ` Alon Bar-Lev
2006-07-08 19:36                                       ` grundig
2006-07-08 17:49                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-08 18:03                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 21:46                                       ` Alan Cox
2006-07-09  0:19                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-07-08 17:39                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-07-08 23:57                                     ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  0:03                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
     [not found]                                 ` <ce9ef0d90607080942w685a6b60q7611278856c78ac0@mail.gmail.com>
2006-07-08 16:50                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 19:25                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 19:39                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-08 20:22                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10  9:11                                         ` dirk husemann
2006-07-10  9:18                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-10 10:02                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10 21:49                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-10 23:22                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-10 23:37                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-10 12:45                                             ` Thomas Tuttle
2006-07-10 13:05                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                                       ` <ce9ef0d90607081248n1f2fc79fw199b493f3ca6313@mail.gmail.com>
2006-07-08 19:58                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 20:13                                           ` Alon Bar-Lev
2006-07-08 20:23                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-08 22:20                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-08 23:46                                       ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-08 23:53                                         ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  0:18                                           ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-09  0:32                                             ` Pavel Machek
2006-07-09  1:05                                               ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-09 13:51                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-09 21:06                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-09 21:36                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-09 21:46                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-09 22:30                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-07-10  3:57                                                     ` Jason Lunz
2006-07-10  6:20                                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-11 14:47                                                         ` Jason Lunz
2006-07-11 20:13                                                           ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-10  0:28                                                   ` Bojan Smojver
2006-07-09 12:15                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2006-07-09 21:04                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-07-10  9:10                                       ` dirk husemann [this message]
2006-07-08  0:28                       ` [Suspend2-devel] Re: swsusp / suspend2 reliability Bojan Smojver
2006-07-07 19:27           ` Hua Zhong
2006-07-07 21:10             ` Alon Bar-Lev
2006-07-07 23:48               ` Christian Trefzer
2006-06-27 16:50     ` [Suspend2-devel] Re: Suspend2 - Request for review & inclusion in -mm dirk husemann
2006-06-27 19:03     ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-27 19:19       ` Dave Jones
2006-06-27 21:47         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28  6:00       ` Brad Campbell
2006-06-28 20:03         ` Pavel Machek
2006-06-28  6:09       ` Markus Gaugusch
     [not found]     ` <200606271940.23934.jaroslav@aster.pl>
     [not found]       ` <1e1a7e1b0606280228y6c4a0d19p12f8112d216d1aba@mail.gmail.com>
2006-06-28 11:31         ` [Suspend2-devel] " Tim Dijkstra
2006-06-27 23:37   ` Nigel Cunningham

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