From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, a.zummo@towertech.it,
jg@freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 16:22:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44C6A7B7.8010604@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060725231043.GA4661@localhost.localdomain>
Neil Horman wrote:
>>>
>> Quick hacks are frowned upon in the Linux universe. The kernel-user
>> space interface is supposed to be stable, and thus a hack like this has
>> to be maintained indefinitely.
>>
>> Putting temporary hacks like this in is not a good idea.
>>
> Only if you make the mental leap that this is a hack; its not. Its a new
> feature for a driver. mmap on device drivers is a well known and understood
> interface. There is nothing hackish about it. And there is no need for it to
> be temporary either. Why shouldn't the rtc driver be able to export a monotonic
> counter via the mmap interface? mmtimer does it already, as do many other
> drivers. Theres nothing unstable about this interface, and it need not be short
> lived. It can live in perpituity, and applications can choose to use it, or
> migrate away from it should something else more efficient become available (a
> gettimeofday vsyscall). More importantly, it can continue to be used in those
> situations where a vsyscall is not feasable, or simply maps to the nominal slow
> path kernel trap that one would find to heavy-weight to use in comparison to an
> mmaped page.
>
The reason it is a hack is because you're hard-coding the fact that
you're taking a global, periodic interrupt. Yes, it can be dealt with
scheduler hacks in tickless case, but that seems really heavyweight.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-07-25 23:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-07-25 17:41 [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver Neil Horman
2006-07-25 17:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 18:01 ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 18:22 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 18:43 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 19:03 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 19:06 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 19:07 ` John W. Linville
2006-07-25 19:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-25 19:08 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 17:57 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 18:28 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:56 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 19:07 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 19:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 19:21 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 19:31 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 19:47 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 20:04 ` Dave Airlie
2006-07-25 20:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 20:47 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 20:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 22:25 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 22:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 23:10 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 23:22 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2006-07-26 0:03 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 23:29 ` David Lang
2006-07-26 0:18 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 23:29 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-25 23:56 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-26 0:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-26 0:20 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-26 0:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-26 14:45 ` A better interface, perhaps: a timed signal flag Theodore Tso
2006-07-28 13:33 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 14:52 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-28 15:05 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 16:41 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-28 16:44 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 20:01 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-28 20:12 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 20:36 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-28 20:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2006-07-28 17:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 20:58 ` [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 21:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 21:14 ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 21:18 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-25 21:39 ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-29 4:28 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-29 12:54 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-29 20:41 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-29 21:43 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-29 22:45 ` Keith Packard
2006-07-29 23:18 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-07-29 21:49 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-07-29 22:51 ` itimer again (Re: [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver) Bill Huey
2006-07-29 23:35 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-30 1:00 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-30 1:22 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-30 1:39 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-30 2:02 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-07-30 14:33 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-30 22:20 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-31 15:40 ` Theodore Tso
2006-07-30 0:16 ` Edgar Toernig
2006-07-30 0:24 ` Bill Huey
2006-07-29 14:02 ` [PATCH] RTC: Add mmap method to rtc character driver Thomas Gleixner
2006-07-26 13:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-08-02 3:54 ` john stultz
2006-08-02 4:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-08-02 4:34 ` john stultz
2006-07-25 23:26 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-26 0:10 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 20:03 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-07-25 23:27 ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-26 0:06 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-25 18:00 ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-25 18:17 ` Neil Horman
2006-07-26 15:16 ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-26 17:25 ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-27 23:53 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-07-28 3:29 ` Jim Gettys
2006-07-28 11:59 ` Neil Horman
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