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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	greg@kroah.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Jack Lo <jlo@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: A proposal - binary
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:35:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44D217A7.9020608@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <44D1CC7D.4010600@vmware.com>

Zachary Amsden wrote:

> And by NO circumstances, is it required to be a CLOSED source binary
> blob. In fact, why can't it be open?  In the event of a firmware bug,
> in fact, it is very desirable to have this software be open so that
> it can be fixed

You're making a very good argument as to why we should probably
require that the code linking against such an interface, if we
decide we want one, should be required to be open source.

> I think you will see why our VMI layer is quite similar to a
> traditional ROM, and very dissimilar to an evil GPL-circumvention
> device.

> (?) There are only two reasonable objections I can see to open
> sourcing the binary layer. 

Since none of the vendors that might use such a paravirtualized
ROM for Linux actually have one of these reasons for keeping their
paravirtualized ROM blob closed source, I say we might as well
require that it be open source.

As for the evilness of a binary interface - the interface between
kernel and userland is a stable binary interface and is decidedly
non-evil.  I could see a similar use for a stable paravirtualization
interface, to make compatibility between Linux and various hypervisor
versions easier.

As long as it's open source so the thing can be debugged :)

-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-08-03 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-03 10:14 A proposal - binary Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 11:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-03 12:16   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 15:17     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 16:05     ` Chris Wright
2006-08-03 17:57     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:29       ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 18:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:08   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:03     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:14       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:36         ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:56           ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 19:59             ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:25             ` Options depending on STANDALONE Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 20:28               ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:41                 ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 23:40               ` [v4l-dvb-maintainer] " Trent Piepho
2006-08-05 10:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-06 11:18                   ` Oliver Endriss
2006-08-13 16:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-14 21:15                       ` Trent Piepho
2006-08-27 21:45                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 19:48     ` A proposal - binary linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-08-04  6:13       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-03 21:03     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 20:29   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-08-03 21:12     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 21:27       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 15:35 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2006-08-03 18:36   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:45     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-06 22:45       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-06 22:59         ` Greg KH
2006-08-08  0:12         ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-08  0:42           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-09  7:43             ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-03 19:06 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:26   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 20:01     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 21:41       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:33         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 22:30           ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 22:49             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:31           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 23:30             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 23:40               ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 10:21                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 14:34                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-05  0:06                     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-08-04  8:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-04  2:52       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04  4:18         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  5:04           ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  5:53             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  7:04               ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  7:21                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  8:29                   ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 16:57                 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 18:38                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 18:46                   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04 19:06                     ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:26                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 19:45                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 20:11                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 20:31                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:26                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 21:40                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2006-08-04 22:00                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 22:45                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:45                       ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 19:49                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:46                           ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 22:40                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04  5:40           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04  6:28             ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:01               ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04  7:19                 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:37                   ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 18:34       ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 20:41         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 20:52           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 21:26           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05  1:14             ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  5:37               ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:42                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:50                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 22:01           ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:39             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 22:52               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:43             ` David Lang
2006-08-05 10:47             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:57               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-05  1:30           ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  4:33             ` Zachary Amsden

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