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From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>, Jack Lo <jlo@vmware.com>
Subject: Re: A proposal - binary
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:40:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44D28985.8050200@vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1154647835.23655.161.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Alan Cox wrote:
> Ar Iau, 2006-08-03 am 15:31 -0700, ysgrifennodd Zachary Amsden:
>   
>> Alan Cox wrote:
>>     
>>> Could have fooled me. It seems to work for the IBM Mainframe people
>>> really well. 
>>>       
>> Yes, but not because of source compatibility.  It works because the 
>> hypervisor layer is actually architected in the hardware.
>>     
>
> The hardware has nothing to do with it. It works because the hypervisor
> API has a spec and is maintained compatibly. Its not entirely hardware
> architected either, it has chunks of interfaces that are not present
> hardware level or not meaningful at that level - the paging assists for
> example are purely a hypervisor interface as are hipersockets.
>   

Yes, it's part hardware, part software, a pseudo firmwarish mesh of the 
two.  When you've got multiple vendors involved, you need to paint the 
interface with a broader stroke so that the individual details of each 
don't get so involved, and you can do that in many different ways.  You 
still need an ABI, not just an API, though, for future compatibility of 
existing kernels, which is important to mainframe customers for 
migration as well as virtual machine users.

But I think we're running off into the weeds picking nits here..

Zach

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-03 23:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-03 10:14 A proposal - binary Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 11:16 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-03 12:16   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 15:17     ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 16:05     ` Chris Wright
2006-08-03 17:57     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:29       ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-03 18:47         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 18:08   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:03     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:14       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 19:36         ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:56           ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 19:59             ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:25             ` Options depending on STANDALONE Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 20:28               ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 20:41                 ` Dave Jones
2006-08-03 23:40               ` [v4l-dvb-maintainer] " Trent Piepho
2006-08-05 10:51                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-06 11:18                   ` Oliver Endriss
2006-08-13 16:36                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-14 21:15                       ` Trent Piepho
2006-08-27 21:45                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-03 19:48     ` A proposal - binary linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-08-04  6:13       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-08-03 21:03     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 13:21 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 20:29   ` Willy Tarreau
2006-08-03 21:12     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 21:27       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 15:35 ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-03 18:36   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:45     ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-06 22:45       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-06 22:59         ` Greg KH
2006-08-08  0:12         ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-08  0:42           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-09  7:43             ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-03 19:06 ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 19:26   ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 20:01     ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 21:41       ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:33         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 22:30           ` Greg KH
2006-08-03 22:49             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 22:31           ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-03 23:30             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-03 23:40               ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2006-08-04 10:21                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 14:34                   ` Theodore Tso
2006-08-05  0:06                     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-08-04  8:56         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-08-04  2:52       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04  4:18         ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  5:04           ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  5:53             ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  7:04               ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04  7:21                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-04  8:29                   ` Rusty Russell
2006-08-04 16:57                 ` David Lang
2006-08-04 18:38                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 18:46                   ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04 19:06                     ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:26                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 19:45                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 20:11                           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 20:31                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:26                               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-08-04 21:40                                 ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2006-08-04 22:00                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-04 22:45                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04 19:45                       ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 19:49                         ` David Lang
2006-08-04 21:46                           ` Jeff Dike
2006-08-04 22:40                             ` David Lang
2006-08-04  5:40           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04  6:28             ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:01               ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04  7:19                 ` Antonio Vargas
2006-08-04  7:37                   ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 18:34       ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 20:41         ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 20:52           ` Chris Wright
2006-08-04 21:26           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-05  1:14             ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  5:37               ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-05 10:42                 ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:50                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-04 22:01           ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:39             ` Zachary Amsden
2006-08-04 22:52               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-04 22:43             ` David Lang
2006-08-05 10:47             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-05 11:57               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-05  1:30           ` James Bottomley
2006-08-05  4:33             ` Zachary Amsden

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