From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Ulrich Drepper <drepper@gmail.com>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@scalex86.org>,
"Shai Fultheim (Shai@scalex86.org)" <shai@scalex86.org>,
pravin b shelar <pravin.shelar@calsoftinc.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] NUMA futex hashing
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 01:11:58 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <44D8A9BE.3050607@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a36005b50608080739w2ea03ea8i8ef2f81c7bd55b5d@mail.gmail.com>
Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> On 8/8/06, Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com> wrote:
>
>> The validity of the virtual address is still tested by normal get_user()
>> call.. If the memory was freed by a thread, then a normal EFAULT error
>> will
>> be reported... eventually.
>
>
> This is indeed what should be done. Private futexes are the by far
> more frequent case and I bet you'd see improvements when avoiding the
> mm mutex even for normal machines since futexes really are everywhere.
> For shared mutexes you end up doing two lookups and that's fine IMO
> as long as the first lookup is fast.
The private futex's namespace is its virtual address, so I don't see
how you can decouple that from the management of virtual addresses.
Let me get this straight: to insert a contended futex into your rbtree,
you need to hold the mmap sem to ensure that address remains valid,
then you need to take a lock which protects your rbtree. Then to wake
up a process and remove the futex, you need to take the rbtree lock. Or
to unmap any memory you also need to take the rbtree lock and ensure
there are no futexes there.
So you just add another lock for no reason, or have I got a few screws
loose myself? I don't see how you can significantly reduce lock
cacheline bouncing in a futex heavy workload if you're just going to
add another shared data structure. But if you can, sweet ;)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-08-08 15:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-08-08 7:07 [RFC] NUMA futex hashing Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-08-08 9:14 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-08 20:31 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2006-08-08 9:37 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-08-08 9:58 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-08 10:07 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-08-08 9:57 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-08 10:10 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-08 10:36 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-08 12:29 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-08 12:47 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-08 12:57 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-08 14:39 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-08 15:11 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2006-08-08 15:36 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-08 16:22 ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-08 16:26 ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-08 16:49 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-08 16:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-08 16:34 ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-08 16:49 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-08 16:59 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-09 1:56 ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-08 16:58 ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-08-08 17:08 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-09 1:58 ` Nick Piggin
2006-08-09 6:26 ` Eric Dumazet
2006-08-09 6:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-15 19:10 ` [PATCH 0/3] FUTEX : new PRIVATE futexes, SMP and NUMA improvements Eric Dumazet
2007-03-15 20:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-16 8:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-16 9:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-16 10:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-03-16 10:30 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-03-16 10:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-04 7:16 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-05 17:49 ` [PATCH] FUTEX : new PRIVATE futexes Eric Dumazet
2007-04-05 20:43 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-06 1:19 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06 5:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-06 11:50 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06 6:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-06 17:41 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-04-06 12:26 ` Shared futexes (was [PATCH] FUTEX : new PRIVATE futexes) Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 13:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-04-06 13:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 13:15 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06 13:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-06 13:40 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-06 12:31 ` [PATCH] FUTEX : new PRIVATE futexes Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-07 8:43 ` [PATCH, take4] " Eric Dumazet
2007-04-07 9:30 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-07 10:00 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-11 7:22 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-11 8:14 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-11 9:23 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-11 9:30 ` Pierre Peiffer
2007-04-11 9:39 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-11 9:40 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-11 9:35 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-12 1:57 ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-07 11:18 ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-04-07 11:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-07 16:40 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-04-07 22:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10 9:21 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-04-11 9:19 ` [PATCH, take5] " Eric Dumazet
2007-04-11 12:23 ` Rusty Russell
2007-04-26 12:55 ` [PATCH, take6] " Eric Dumazet
2007-04-26 13:35 ` Pierre Peiffer
2007-03-15 19:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] FUTEX : introduce PROCESS_PRIVATE semantic Eric Dumazet
2007-03-15 19:16 ` [PATCH 2/3] FUTEX : introduce private hashtables Eric Dumazet
2007-03-15 20:25 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 21:09 ` Ulrich Drepper
2007-03-15 21:29 ` Nick Piggin
2007-03-15 22:59 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-03-15 19:20 ` [PATCH 3/3] FUTEX : NUMA friendly global hashtable Eric Dumazet
2006-08-09 0:13 ` [RFC] NUMA futex hashing Ravikiran G Thirumalai
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