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From: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sys_getppid oopses on debug kernel (v2)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:08:27 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44D9D03B.6060907@sw.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060809143816.GA142@oleg>

>>Although I'm not sure it's needed for this problem. A getppid() which does
>>
>>asmlinkage long sys_getppid(void)
>>{
>>	int pid;
>>
>>	read_lock(&tasklist_lock);
>>	pid = current->group_leader->real_parent->tgid;
>>	read_unlock(&tasklist_lock);
>>
>>	return pid;
>>}
>>
>>seems like a fine implementation to me ;)
> 
> 
> Why do we need to use ->group_leader? All threads should have the same
> ->real_parent.
I'm not sure this is true for old LinuxThreads...

> Why do we need tasklist_lock? I think rcu_read_lock() is enough.
> 
> In other words, do you see any problems with this code
> 
> 	smlinkage long sys_getppid(void)
> 	{
> 		int pid;
> 
> 		rcu_read_lock();
> 		pid = rcu_dereference(current->real_parent)->tgid;
> 		rcu_read_unlock();
> 
> 		return pid;
> 	}
> 
> ? Yes, we may read a stale value for ->real_parent, but the memory
> can't be freed while we are under rcu_read_lock(). And in this case
> the returned value is ok because the task could be reparented just
> after return anyway.
Your patch doesn't cure the problem.
rcu_read_lock just disables preemtion and rcu_dereference
introduces memory barrier. _None_ of this _prevents_
another CPU from freeing old real_parent in parallel with your dereference.

You can minimize the probability very much by making local_irq_disable()/enable()
around the code in question, but still it won't be a real fix (at least due to NMIs).

Kirill


  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-09 12:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-09 14:38 [PATCH] sys_getppid oopses on debug kernel (v2) Oleg Nesterov
2006-08-09 12:08 ` Kirill Korotaev [this message]
2006-08-09 16:54   ` Oleg Nesterov
2006-08-09 13:02     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-09 18:24       ` [PATCH] sys_getppid-oopses-on-debug-kernel-v2-simplify Oleg Nesterov
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-08-08 15:50 [PATCH] sys_getppid oopses on debug kernel (v2) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-08 16:09 ` Dave Hansen

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