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From: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
To: Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	rohitseth@google.com, hugh@veritas.com,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	devel@openvz.org, Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting	(core)
Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 14:40:31 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44E98D9F.1090101@sw.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1155913113.9274.91.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Dave Hansen wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-08-18 at 13:31 +0400, Kirill Korotaev wrote:
> 
>>they all are troublesome :/
>>user can create lots of vmas, w/o page tables.
>>lots of fdsets, ipcids.
>>These are not reclaimable. 
> 
> 
> I guess one of my big questions surrounding these patches is why the
> accounting is done with pages.
probably you missed patch details a bit.
accounting is done:
1. in pages for objects allocated by buddy allocator
2. in slabs for objects allocated from caches

> If there really is a need to limit these
> different kernel objects, then why not simply write patches to limit
> *these* *objects*?  I trust there is a very good technical reason for
> doing this, I just don't understand why, yet.
The one reason is that such an accounting allows to estimate the memory
used/required by containers, while limitations by objects:
- per object accounting/limitations do not provide any memory estimation
- having a big number of reasonably high limits still allows the user
  to consume big amount of memory. I.e. the sum of all the limits tend
  to be high and potentially DoS exploitable :/
- memory is easier to setup/control from user POV.
  having hundreds of controls is good, but not much user friendly.

Thanks,
Kirill

  reply	other threads:[~2006-08-21 10:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 209+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-08-16 15:24 [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 15:35 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] UBC: kconfig Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 19:57   ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 21:14   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-08-25 15:12   ` Pavel Machek
2006-08-16 15:37 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] UBC: core (structures, API) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:58   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 11:42     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 17:15   ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 11:45     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 12:14       ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 14:32       ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 12:36         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 18:11   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 18:18     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-17 11:54       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 11:53     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:55       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18 11:14         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 17:51           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  5:31       ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18  7:35         ` [PATCH " Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-18  8:26           ` [ckrm-tech] " Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:52             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 15:59         ` [RFC][PATCH " Alan Cox
2006-08-17 11:09   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 14:02     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 18:59       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18  1:58   ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:36     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-19  2:38       ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-21 11:02         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22 12:23           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-22 12:46             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22 14:38               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-21 17:35         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-20  4:58   ` Balbir Singh
2006-08-20  5:01   ` Balbir Singh
2006-08-16 15:38 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] UBC: ub context and inheritance Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:51   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 11:09   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 13:21     ` [Devel] " Pavel V. Emelianov
2006-08-18  2:42   ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18  9:23     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-19  2:19       ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 20:03   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 10:32     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 20:48       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-16 15:39 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] UBC: syscalls (user interface) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:52   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-16 17:17   ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 12:02     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 18:17   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 19:04     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-16 19:22       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 12:13         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 15:40           ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18  8:08             ` [PATCH " Andrey Savochkin
2006-08-18 14:45               ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 16:42                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 17:29                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 17:38                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-18 17:59                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18 18:18                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-08-21  2:42                     ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-18 18:09                   ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-18 18:17                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 18:27                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 18:56                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-18 19:16                       ` Chris Friesen
2006-08-18 21:19                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-18 19:48                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 21:16                         ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-21  2:38                   ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-21  7:48                     ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-21  8:42                       ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-21  9:03                         ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-21  9:18                           ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-21 13:35                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 17:51                     ` Paul Jackson
2006-08-22  8:52                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21  2:47                 ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-22  1:16                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22  3:58                     ` Magnus Damm
2006-08-22 18:34                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24  1:20                       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18 11:05             ` [RFC][PATCH " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:08           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 12:04     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:05       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 11:09   ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 14:04     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:19       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-18  2:31   ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:45     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-19  2:43       ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-18 11:40   ` Arnd Bergmann
2006-08-18 20:13   ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-16 15:40 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] UBC: kernel memory accounting (core) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:56   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 13:47     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 18:24   ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 13:27     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 14:38       ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  9:31         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 14:58           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-21 10:40             ` Kirill Korotaev [this message]
2006-08-21 15:10               ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 15:06           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-21 12:38             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:02       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  9:38         ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 16:55           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-21 10:43             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22  1:23               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 18:47   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-16 19:15     ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 19:59       ` [ckrm-tech] " Dave Hansen
2006-08-17  0:24         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 14:26           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-17 15:01             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 16:04               ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-18 10:54                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:37               ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-17 15:19             ` Rik van Riel
2006-08-17 17:28               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 18:43                 ` Andi Kleen
2006-08-17 17:49                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  8:29               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 17:06                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 17:16             ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 17:23               ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-17 17:36                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 17:53                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  8:54                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 14:52                     ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 17:38                     ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-21 11:29                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-22  1:48                         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22  7:43                           ` Pavel V. Emelianov
2006-08-18  8:51               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18  8:52               ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 14:59                 ` Alan Cox
2006-08-18 19:32                   ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18 20:52                     ` Alan Cox
2006-08-21  9:44                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 16:42           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17 16:31         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-17  0:22       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17 16:36         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  8:44           ` [ckrm-tech] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 13:35       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 17:13         ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-18  8:49           ` [ckrm-tech] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 13:31     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 14:36       ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-18  8:12         ` [ckrm-tech] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 14:43           ` Dave Hansen
2006-08-21  8:57             ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 20:26   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 10:51     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 20:55       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-16 15:42 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] UBC: kernel memory acconting (mark objects) Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 16:57   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-16 15:44 ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] UBC: proc interface Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-16 17:13   ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 13:43     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 15:40       ` Greg KH
2006-08-17 16:12         ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-08-16 18:53 ` [RFC][PATCH] UBC: user resource beancounters Rohit Seth
2006-08-16 19:26   ` Alan Cox
2006-08-17  0:15 ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-17 11:02 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-08-17 13:55   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-17 19:55     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 10:36       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-18 18:53         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 22:55           ` Matt Helsley
2006-08-21 10:55           ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 21:04             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-18 19:39 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 13:24   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-21 21:45     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-21 22:20       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-21 22:44         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-22  1:45       ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22 10:02         ` Alan Cox
2006-08-22  9:57           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-08-22 11:15             ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24  1:31           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-22 18:55         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24  1:44           ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-24  2:04             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24 11:10               ` Alan Cox
2006-08-24 23:48                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24 23:55                   ` Kyle Moffett
2006-08-25 18:21                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 20:46                       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 21:37                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 22:51                           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 22:59                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-24 17:27               ` Rohit Seth
2006-08-24 23:52                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 11:12                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-08-25 18:47                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 20:52                       ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 22:23                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-08-25 23:12                           ` Alan Cox
2006-08-25 23:00                             ` Chandra Seetharaman

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