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From: Kirill Korotaev <dev@sw.ru>
To: Pavel Emelianov <xemul@openvz.org>
Cc: sekharan@us.ibm.com, balbir@in.ibm.com,
	Srivatsa <vatsa@in.ibm.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	CKRM-Tech <ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Dave Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrey Savochkin <saw@sw.ru>,
	devel@openvz.org, Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh@veritas.com>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@mail.ru>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added	user memory)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 12:55:22 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <450A6A7A.8010102@sw.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <450A5325.6090803@openvz.org>

Chandra,

>>>>What if I have 40 containers each with 2% guarantee ? what do we do
>>>>then ? and many other different combinations (what I gave was not the
>>>>_only_ scenario).
>>>>  
>>>>      
>>>
>>>Then you need to solve a set of 40 equations. This sounds weird, but
>>>don't afraid - sets like these are solved lightly.
>>>    
>>
>>extrapolate that to a varying # of permutations and real time changes in
>>the system workload. Won't it be complex ?
>>  
> 
> I have a C program that computes limits to obtain desired guarantees
> in a single 'for (i = 0; i < n; n++)' loop for any given set of guarantees.
> With all error handling, beautifull output, nice formatting etc it weights
> only 60 lines.
> 
>>Wouldn't it be a lot simpler if we have the guarantee support instead ?
the calculation above doesn't seem hard :)

>>Why you do not like guarantee ? :)

> I do not 'do not like guarantee'. I'm just sure that there are two ways
> for providing guarantee (for unreclaimable resorces):
> 1. reserving resource for group in advance
> 2. limit resource for others
> Reserving is worse as it is essentially limiting (you cut off 100Mb from
> 1Gb RAM thus limiting the other groups by 900Mb RAM), but this limiting
> is too strict - you _have_ to reserve less than RAM size. Limiting in
> run-time is more flexible (you may create an overcommited BC if you
> want to) and leads to the same result - guarantee.
I think this deserves putting on Wiki.
It is very good clear point.

Chanrda, do you propose some 3rd way (we are unaware of) of implementing guarantees?

Thanks,
Kirill

  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-15  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-05 15:02 [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:19 ` [PATCH 1/13] BC: introduce atomic_dec_and_lock_irqsave() Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:20 ` [PATCH 2/13] BC: kconfig Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:21 ` [PATCH 3/17] BC: beancounters core (API) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:23 ` [PATCH 4/13] BC: context inheriting and changing Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:24 ` [PATCH 5/13] BC: user interface (syscalls) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 16:04   ` [ckrm-tech] " Balbir Singh
2006-09-06  8:29     ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-06  8:57       ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-06 10:42         ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-06 13:23           ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-06 13:45   ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-06 14:23     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:25 ` [PATCH 6/13] BC: kernel memory (core) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:26 ` [PATCH 7/13] BC: kernel memory (marks) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-06 14:19   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-05 15:27 ` [PATCH 8/13] BC: locked pages (core) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:29 ` [PATCH 9/13] BC: locked pages (charge hooks) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-06  3:43   ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-06  8:45     ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-06  9:41       ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-06 14:16     ` [ckrm-tech] " Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:30 ` [PATCH 10/13] BC: privvm pages Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:31 ` [PATCH 11/13] BC: vmrss (preparations) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 22:09   ` Cedric Le Goater
2006-09-06 13:59     ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-07 16:28   ` [ckrm-tech] " Balbir Singh
2006-09-05 15:32 ` [PATCH 12/13] BC: vmrss (core) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 15:33 ` [PATCH 13/13] BC: vmrss (charges) Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-05 16:53 ` [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) Balbir Singh
2006-09-06  8:34   ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-06 13:06   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-06 19:17     ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-06 22:06       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-07  3:08         ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-08  7:33         ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-08 15:43           ` Dave Hansen
2006-09-08 18:26             ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-11  6:56               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-11  7:54                 ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-11  8:13                   ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-11  8:19                     ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-12 10:39                       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-12 10:40                       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-12 12:01                         ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-13 13:39                           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-11 10:21                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-12 10:35                       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-11 18:49                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-12 10:48                       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-12 23:58                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-13  8:06                           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-13 12:15                             ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-13 13:35                               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-13 22:31                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-14  7:53                               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-14  8:06                                 ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-14 13:02                                   ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-15  0:02                                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-15  7:21                                       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-15  8:49                                       ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-18 23:51                                         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-14 23:42                                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-15  7:15                                   ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-15  8:55                                     ` Kirill Korotaev [this message]
2006-09-15 11:15                                       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-18  8:25                                         ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-18  8:56                                           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-18 11:20                                             ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-18 11:32                                               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-19  0:05                                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-19  8:04                                               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-18 11:27                                         ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-18 12:37                                           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-19  0:08                                             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-19  8:06                                               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-18 23:48                                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-11 18:44                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-15  8:57                   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-18 23:57                     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-08 19:23           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-08 21:43             ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-11 18:25               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-11 19:10                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-11 19:42                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-11 23:58                     ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-12  9:53                       ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-12 23:54                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-13  0:39                         ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-13  1:10                           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-13  1:25                             ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-13  4:41                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-13 22:20                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-14  1:22                                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-14 23:13                                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-11 19:48                   ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-12  0:28                     ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-12 10:44                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-12 17:22                     ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-12 17:40                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-12 18:02                         ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-13  0:02                       ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-13  0:43                         ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-13  1:13                           ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-13  1:33                             ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-13 22:24                               ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-14  1:27                                 ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-14 23:28                                   ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-15  9:26                                 ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-15 16:52                                   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-15 21:21                                     ` [Devel] " Kir Kolyshkin
2006-09-15 21:58                                       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-19  0:02                                       ` [ckrm-tech] [Devel] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-18 23:59                                   ` [ckrm-tech] " Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-06 21:47     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-08 15:33     ` Dave Hansen
2006-09-08 15:57     ` [RFC] Add tgid aggregation to beancounters (was Re: [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory)) Balbir Singh
2006-09-11 21:24       ` V2: " Balbir Singh
2006-09-15 16:40         ` [ckrm-tech] V2: Add tgid aggregation to beancounters (was " Kirill Korotaev
2006-10-09  8:23           ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-05 17:46 ` [ckrm-tech] [PATCH] BC: resource beancounters (v4) (added user memory) Dave Hansen
2006-09-05 18:28   ` Balbir Singh
2006-09-06  0:17   ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-08 15:30     ` Dave Hansen
2006-09-08 17:10       ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-08 17:26         ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-09-08 21:15           ` Rohit Seth
2006-09-08 21:28             ` Shailabh Nagar
2006-09-06 13:57   ` Kirill Korotaev
2006-09-06 21:54     ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-07  7:29       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-07 19:16         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-08  7:22           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-08 19:07             ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-11  7:02               ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-11 13:04                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-12 10:24                   ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-12 10:29                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-12 11:06                       ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-12 12:04                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2006-09-11 18:47                 ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-07 19:29         ` Chandra Seetharaman
2006-09-08  7:26           ` Pavel Emelianov
2006-09-08 19:10             ` Chandra Seetharaman

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