From: Martin Bligh <mbligh@mbligh.org>
To: Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>
Cc: karim@opersys.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
tglx@linutronix.de, Paul Mundt <lethal@linux-sh.org>,
Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@polymtl.ca>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
Tom Zanussi <zanussi@us.ibm.com>,
ltt-dev@shafik.org, Michel Dagenais <michel.dagenais@polymtl.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 10:06:27 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <450ED213.9000603@mbligh.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <450E5540.4080205@sgi.com>
> And it doesn't address the following issues:
>
> a) The static community providing actual evidence that dynamic tracing
> is noticably slower.
...
> Everything has performance limitations, you keep running around touting
> that static is the only thing thats not a problem. Now show us the
> numbers!
When comparing two different approaches to a problem, it is unreasonable
and disingenuous to try to force the onus on the proponents of one
particular approach to do all the benchmarking for both sides. Everybody
has to help try to find the correct solution.
Furthermore, Mathieu already did provide numbers, if you go back and
look.
> The problems pointed out with LTT are *conceptual*, but of course you
> keep ignoring the facts and refusing to provide real numbers.
This is getting very silly, and unnecessarily abusive. Real problems
exist on both sides of the fence, which have been discussed ad nauseam.
If you don't recall them, then go back and read the thread again. The
question is how to strike a comprimise between two different set of
problems, which Ingo and Karim actually seemed to be making progress
on towards the end of the thread.
M.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-09-18 17:06 UTC|newest]
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2006-09-14 3:38 [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 11:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 13:40 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 13:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 14:33 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 15:26 ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-14 17:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 15:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 18:08 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-14 18:38 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 17:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 17:55 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 18:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 18:35 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 18:54 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 9:20 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 12:38 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 12:32 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 14:09 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:30 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 15:12 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 10:41 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 15:28 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 8:57 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 14:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 15:37 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 13:20 ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-15 13:41 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 13:44 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 14:03 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 14:37 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 14:34 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 13:57 ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-15 14:17 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:13 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 14:31 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:28 ` Paul Mundt
2006-09-15 14:46 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-15 15:22 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 15:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-15 14:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 15:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 15:28 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 18:16 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 19:26 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 19:43 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 20:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 20:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 21:08 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 21:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 22:02 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 22:03 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 22:32 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 22:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 23:33 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 23:52 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 2:24 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 23:53 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 2:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 22:59 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 23:40 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 23:17 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 21:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:58 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 22:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 22:45 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 9:59 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 17:24 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 17:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 17:56 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 19:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 19:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 20:29 ` [patch] kprobes: optimize branch placement Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 20:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 21:44 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 22:57 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-16 23:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 2:44 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 1:59 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 12:15 ` Mike Galbraith
2006-09-16 22:56 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-16 23:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 13:52 ` Ananth N Mavinakayanahalli
2006-09-16 22:55 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-17 10:13 ` [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 Frederik Deweerdt
2006-09-17 14:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 19:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 23:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 5:33 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 18:11 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-16 17:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 18:15 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 8:18 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 17:55 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-18 8:21 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 8:33 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 15:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-16 17:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 8:15 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 14:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 15:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 16:54 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 21:12 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 21:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 20:13 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 21:49 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-16 10:19 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-16 16:05 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 4:54 ` Ganesan Rajagopal
2006-09-18 8:13 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-18 14:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-18 17:06 ` Martin Bligh [this message]
2006-09-20 14:17 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 19:35 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 19:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 19:56 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 20:23 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 20:40 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 20:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:17 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:56 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:27 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 21:51 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 22:15 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 22:53 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 23:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 23:49 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-15 23:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 0:41 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-16 0:31 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-16 8:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 8:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 8:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 8:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 19:58 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-16 22:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 23:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 1:15 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 8:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 15:16 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 15:25 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 16:02 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 16:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 16:59 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-17 17:26 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 17:56 ` Nick Piggin
2006-09-17 18:59 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 21:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 21:52 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 22:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 21:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-18 8:43 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-17 21:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 19:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 19:45 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 20:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 21:36 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-17 22:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 23:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 14:19 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-17 15:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-17 17:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <y0mu036eglz.fsf@ton.toronto.redhat.com>
2006-09-17 15:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 8:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 8:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-16 8:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 21:05 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:17 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 21:31 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 20:00 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 20:27 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 20:37 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 20:26 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 20:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-17 17:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-17 19:35 ` printk instrumentation with LTTng Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 15:24 ` [PATCH 0/11] LTTng-core (basic tracing infrastructure) 0.5.108 Alan Cox
2006-09-15 15:23 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:39 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-15 15:04 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 19:40 ` Tim Bird
2006-09-14 20:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 20:46 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-19 12:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-14 21:02 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 11:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 11:46 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 12:38 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 12:39 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 13:41 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 13:34 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 14:41 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 14:35 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 14:58 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 14:57 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 17:49 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:20 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 17:01 ` Tim Bird
2006-09-15 17:08 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 17:57 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:31 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-15 18:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 19:10 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 19:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 20:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-15 20:35 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 21:44 ` Tim Bird
2006-09-19 12:29 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-19 13:17 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 18:24 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 18:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 18:18 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-15 18:10 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 19:49 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 20:54 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 21:42 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 21:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 15:05 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-19 15:30 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-19 16:39 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-19 18:03 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 17:45 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 18:16 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 19:20 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-15 19:59 ` Andrew Morton
2006-09-15 20:24 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-15 20:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2006-09-14 19:47 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 20:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 20:54 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 21:08 ` Daniel Walker
2006-09-14 21:30 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 22:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 23:39 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-14 23:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 0:27 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 1:47 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-15 5:47 ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-14 18:12 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 20:25 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 20:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 20:55 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 21:31 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 22:25 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 22:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 22:59 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 23:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 0:19 ` Nicholas Miell
2006-09-15 1:04 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-15 12:38 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-15 7:00 ` Vara Prasad
2006-09-15 15:37 ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-19 12:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-09-14 21:07 ` Roman Zippel
2006-09-15 9:29 ` Jes Sorensen
2006-09-14 17:51 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 15:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 19:39 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 17:13 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-14 15:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2006-09-14 15:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-09-14 17:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 18:25 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 20:03 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 20:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 20:40 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 21:05 ` Michel Dagenais
2006-09-14 22:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 22:46 ` Martin Bligh
2006-09-14 22:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-09-14 19:03 ` grundig
2006-09-14 19:21 ` Karim Yaghmour
2006-09-14 19:48 ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2006-09-15 16:32 ` Jose R. Santos
2006-09-19 11:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
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2006-09-15 18:32 ` Alan Cox
2006-09-16 10:46 ` Jes Sorensen
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