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From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@xenotime.net>
Cc: Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Announce: gcc bogus warning repository
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2006 13:20:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <451FF8ED.9080507@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061001100747.d1842273.rdunlap@xenotime.net>

Randy Dunlap wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Oct 2006 09:44:55 -0400 Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
>> The level of warnings in a kernel build has lately increased to the 
>> point where it is hiding bugs and otherwise making life difficult.
>>
>> In particular, recent gcc versions throw warnings when it thinks a 
>> variable "MAY be used uninitialized", which is not terribly helpful due 
>> to the fact that most of these warnings are bogus.
>>
>> For those that may find this valuable, I have started a git repo that 
>> silences these bogus warnings, after careful auditing of code paths to 
>> ensure that the warning truly is bogus.
>>
>> The results may be found in the "gccbug" branch of
>> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/jgarzik/misc-2.6.git
>>
>> This repository will NEVER EVER be pushed upstream.  It exists solely 
>> for those who want to decrease their build noise, thereby exposing true 
>> bugs.
>>
>> The audit has already uncovered several minor bugs, lending credence to 
>> my theory that too many warnings hides bugs.
> 
> I usually build with must_check etc. enabled then grep them
> away if I want to look for other messages.  I think that the situation
> is not so disastrous.

I think it's both sad, and telling, that the high level of build noise 
has trained kernel hackers to tune out warnings, and/or build tools of 
ever-increasing sophistication just to pick out the useful messages from 
all the noise.

If you have to grep useful stuff out of the noise, you've already lost.

	Jeff




  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-01 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-01 13:44 Announce: gcc bogus warning repository Jeff Garzik
2006-10-01 13:56 ` Al Viro
2006-10-01 15:40 ` Daniel Walker
2006-10-01 18:12   ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-01 18:16     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-01 18:26       ` Daniel Walker
2006-10-01 18:45         ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-01 18:58           ` Daniel Walker
2006-10-01 19:00             ` Al Viro
2006-10-01 19:03               ` Daniel Walker
2006-10-01 19:07                 ` Al Viro
2006-10-01 19:13                   ` Daniel Walker
2006-10-01 19:20                     ` Al Viro
2006-10-01 19:25                       ` Daniel Walker
2006-10-01 19:33                         ` Al Viro
2006-10-01 21:45                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-01 20:24     ` Roland Dreier
2006-10-02 11:39   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-10-01 17:07 ` Randy Dunlap
2006-10-01 17:20   ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-10-01 17:27     ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-10-01 17:45       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-10-01 18:16     ` Randy Dunlap
2006-10-04 16:19     ` Jörn Engel

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