From: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
To: jt@hpl.hp.com
Cc: "John W. Linville" <linville@tuxdriver.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
Alessandro Suardi <alessandro.suardi@gmail.com>,
Norbert Preining <preining@logic.at>,
hostap@shmoo.com, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, johannes@sipsolutions.net
Subject: Re: wpa supplicant/ipw3945, ESSID last char missing
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:41:22 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4522E712.8020201@garzik.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061003222707.GB1790@bougret.hpl.hp.com>
Jean Tourrilhes wrote:
> Let's not make a mountain of this molehill. If you want to use
> old versions of Wireless Tools and wpa_supplicant with WE-21, what you
> need is just to add a dummy character at the end of your ESSID. And
> everything will be fine.
FALSE. Old apps are by definition already in place. "all you need to
do..." is an impossible condition to satisfy.
> Also, there is no other way to update cleanly a kernel API
> than to push userspace first. I think I took way more care in term of
> smoothing over the API transition than any other kernel subsystem, so
> I don't know what could have been done better. I don't remember this
> level of flamewar when those other subsystems did change their
> userspace APIs.
Userspace APIs can change, as long as they remain backwards compatible.
Just follow LKML to see all the flack people get, when userspace APIs
change in an incompatible way. Or heck, just look at the changelog for
the patches we revert, when such brokenness is detected.
Finally, until an API is actually in a kernel release, it has the
potential to change. That's just a fact of Linux development. I
certainly understand trying to get stuff out ahead of a kernel release,
but you must understand the negative consequences of doing so, when
something goes wrong. Like it did here.
Jeff
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-10-03 22:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-02 8:59 wpa supplicant/ipw3945, ESSID last char missing Norbert Preining
2006-10-02 9:21 ` Alessandro Suardi
2006-10-02 11:32 ` Norbert Preining
2006-10-02 12:21 ` Alessandro Suardi
2006-10-02 12:46 ` Norbert Preining
2006-10-02 16:50 ` Norbert Preining
2006-10-02 16:58 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-02 18:15 ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-02 18:55 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-02 19:22 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-02 19:59 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-02 19:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-10-02 19:39 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-02 19:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-10-02 19:47 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-02 21:00 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-02 21:26 ` Theodore Tso
2006-10-02 21:58 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-05 10:39 ` Keith Owens
2006-10-02 22:08 ` Alessandro Suardi
2006-10-03 12:12 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-03 12:49 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-03 13:38 ` Theodore Tso
2006-10-03 14:12 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-03 14:30 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-03 16:00 ` Theodore Tso
2006-10-03 17:03 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 16:52 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 17:23 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 17:38 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 17:40 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-03 22:30 ` Theodore Tso
2006-10-03 22:51 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 12:53 ` Alessandro Suardi
2006-10-03 16:41 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-10 6:29 ` Reinhard Tartler
2006-10-02 19:41 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-02 20:57 ` Dan Williams
2006-10-02 21:04 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-02 16:44 ` Lee Revell
2006-10-03 12:38 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-03 12:59 ` Theodore Tso
2006-10-03 15:54 ` Lee Revell
2006-10-03 16:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-03 18:05 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-03 18:19 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-03 18:38 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 18:59 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-03 19:48 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 19:52 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 21:40 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-03 21:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-03 22:27 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 22:41 ` Jeff Garzik [this message]
2006-10-04 2:10 ` Jouni Malinen
2006-10-03 21:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-03 22:16 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-03 22:30 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-04 18:10 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-04 18:32 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-04 18:42 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-04 18:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-04 18:59 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-04 19:12 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-04 19:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-04 19:52 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-04 20:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-04 20:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-04 20:47 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-04 22:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-05 0:26 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-05 2:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-05 15:20 ` Alessandro Suardi
2006-10-05 16:28 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-06 21:31 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-04 21:08 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-04 23:29 ` Theodore Tso
2006-10-05 0:30 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-05 1:55 ` LEAP (was: wpa supplicant/ipw3945, ESSID last char missing) Jouni Malinen
2006-10-03 23:14 ` [ipw3945-devel] wpa supplicant/ipw3945, ESSID last char missing mabbas
2006-10-03 23:16 ` Theodore Tso
2006-10-03 23:31 ` Jean Tourrilhes
[not found] ` <20061003202754.ce69f03a.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-10-04 0:27 ` Sean
2006-10-04 0:30 ` Jean Tourrilhes
[not found] ` <20061003203646.60d9589a.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-10-04 0:36 ` Sean
2006-10-04 12:36 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-04 7:49 ` Johannes Berg
2006-10-05 16:35 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-05 16:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-05 17:42 ` Erik Andersen
2006-10-05 17:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-05 18:36 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-04 7:50 ` Johannes Berg
2006-10-03 19:08 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-10-03 19:49 ` Jean Tourrilhes
2006-10-04 2:21 ` Jouni Malinen
2006-10-04 7:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-04 12:39 ` John W. Linville
2006-10-03 18:31 ` Hugh Dickins
2006-10-03 18:40 ` Jean Tourrilhes
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